Novels,  Prequel Trilogy

Star Wars authors Daniel José Older and Rae Carson changed their mind and now appreciate the Prequels

Daniel José Older is the author of the upcoming novel Star Wars: Last Shot.

Older in 2015:

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Older now:

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Rae Carson is the author of the upcoming novel Star Wars: Most Wanted.

Carson in 2012:

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Carson now:

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  • lovelucas

    Still won’t buy …..never will buy anything from people who reject George Lucas. On HIS creation. Go out and find your own.

  • roxam91

    I kinda figured this would happen considering the tweets were a bit old. Opinions change over time. From Daniel’s new tweet, it appears that he may have just watched the prequels once, and been hating on them for years, only to rewatch them again recently for the book he’s working on and think “Huh, they weren’t as bad as I remember”. I’ve seen some people have similar reactions as they rewatch the prequels recently, and I am wondering how much of the trilogy’s haters actually bother to watch them recently.

      • roxam91

        Or maybe he’s actually telling the truth. I have heard opinions from many non-Lucasfilm employed haters who expressed very similar sentiments, and they’re not trying to sell a book.

      • Cryogenic

        Indeed, @roxam91…

        Worse, to me, is Rian Johnson, who exploited his small social media platform and gave off a vague flavour of liking and respecting the prequels in the past few years, but then admitted in an interview, just when it looked like “The Last Jedi” was going to be a smash hit and go stratospheric (yeah, look how that turned out), that he had the same reaction other people his age did. Thereby conceding something about his real opinion, and also revealing, in that Yoda/Jedi sense of the term, that he felt he had the backing of the crowd — outing himself as (self-appointed) Good Cop spokesman for Generation Prequel Hater. Because Rian Johnson obviously has his finger on the pulse of the mother-vein of Star Wars fandom. Sometimes, karma is so sweet…

  • andywylde77

    So @Cryogenic, Rian actually pulled that with his opinions about the PT? Interesting. But watching TLJ they he wrote Luke talking about the Jedi order of old was pretty messed up. It was like he was writing what the bashers were crying over the years. Like how the Jedi order were “the bad guys!” Or how the order just needed to end etc.

    That all irritated me. Because for a thousand years the Jedi were doing pretty good. Up until Sidious and things went downhill. But to think that the entire Jedi order and way of life should be forgotten and tossed away is ridiculous! The Jedi weren’t perfect. And they never were/or will be. But I myself value the Jedi way and traditions. It takes a lot of sacrifice, discipline and hard work to be one. Virtues that should be honored and celebrated.

    But Johnson, along with Abrams both don’t understand the force and what it means and how it is used. Now the force is just some “hocus pocus” nonsense. No more training required to use and manipulate the force. Abrams started this off with having Rey use the force with 0 TRAINING! I am sorry but I just can’t buy that. And in TLJ she didn’t get anymore training. Is this the route they are taking this franchise now? What if the next trilogy starts off with everyone using the force with no training or guidance? All the people use it just because they can.

    It kills me because of all the whining about Midichlorians over the years and how they “ruined” the mysticism of the force? Huh? But they are the ones cheering on about anyone just using the force without even training in it. Like broom boy. He just force pulls a broom to him like it was just some random action. Where Luke in TESB had to struggle to force pull his saber to him. 3 years after some training with Ben! I am sure broom boy got a plethora of training during his breaks at the stable…/S

    Training? Guidance? Discipline? A Jedi craves not these things! In the Disney era that is. And he even had Yoda say about the texts, “page turners they were not!” Really? So ancient texts that contain wisdom and knowledge bore you Yoda? How much contempt does Rian have for the audience here?

  • Cryogenic

    andywylde77 on February 20, 2018 at 19 07 20 02202 said:
    So @Cryogenic, Rian actually pulled that with his opinions about the PT? Interesting.

    In my estimation, he did.

    See this response of mine from December. It’s right underneath yours. 🙂

    https://naboonews.wordpress.com/2017/12/07/the-last-jedi-director-rian-johnson-praises-george-lucas-and-the-story-of-the-prequels/#comment-690

    ————-

    But in fairness to RJ, maybe he has grown to appreciate them more in recent years.

    • andywylde77

      Thank for the link! Well if I go by what he presented in TLJ, I won’t put to much stock into how he feels. Whether he is for or against. TLJ is a whole new bag of problems.

      • Cryogenic

        @Andy…. No, you’re right. I don’t think he really “gets” the prequels, or he certainly didn’t get them fast enough, by way of the sequel he delivered.

        • andywylde77

          Yep it could be either or. But I personally don’t think he got much oit of the SW universe. He like Abrams, seem to both understand SW at a superficial level.

      • Cryogenic

        To expand on what you said, Andy…

        I didn’t comment directly on this remark of RJ’s at the time (via the last link), but it now leaps out at me as a fundamental misreading/mischaracterisation of the prequels, and GL’s reason for making them:

        “And also, I think it’s amazing to me when I step back and see what the prequels are actually about, that the prequels tell the story of how fear of loss turns good people into fascists.”

        To me, that’s an over-simplification of the story that unfolds in the PT; and one that suggests a certain political bias/anxiety on RJ’s part, too. Of course, his quotes vary a bit. but this is what Lucas actually said about the prequels when he was making ROTS:

        “What drove me to make these movies is that this is a really interesting story about how people go bad. In this particular case, the premise is: Nobody thinks they’re bad. They simply have different points of view. This is about a kid that’s really wonderful. He has some flaws – and those flaws ultimately do him in.”

        –George Lucas, The Making Of ROTS (J.W. Rinzler), Page 53

        (Thanks to darth-sinister at TFN for repeatedly sharing that quote over the years)

        Rian Johnson’s use of the term “fascist” is problematic, in my opinion. It’s too reductive, and it sounds like he has been influenced by all the people, including the RLM videos, that slammed Anakin as a “fascist”, based on his and Padme’s excessively-dwelled-upon conversation in the meadow in AOTC. It seems, to me, that Johnson eventually chose to jump on that train himself, and to make a tacit dig at the result of the American election (and I’m no Trump supporter); skewing the thematic underpinnings of the prequels and Star Wars as a whole in the bargain.

        Moreover: We sometimes see characters in the PT making the wrong choice for the right reason, and vice versa. “Fear of loss” might be a reasonable catalyst that one can identify in Anakin’s story, but it doesn’t (necessarily) so neatly explain Qui-Gon’s actions, or Padme’s, or Watto’s, or Jar Jar’s. RJ is also overlooking something very much at work in the Disney takeover; which Lucas illustrates to be a close bedfellow of fear: greed. As Qui-Gon powerfully says: “Greed can be a powerful ally.” Greed shapes and wrecks society every bit as much as fear. And as Lucas says of Anakin:

        “Some of the people had a hard time with the reason that Anakin goes bad. Somebody asked whether somebody could kill Anakin’s best friend, so that he really gets angry. They wanted a real betrayal, such as, “You tried to kill me so now I’m going to try and kill you.” They didn’t seem to understand the fact that Anakin is simply greedy. There is no revenge. The revenge of the Sith is Palpatine.”

        –George Lucas, The Making Of ROTS (J.W. Rinzler), Page 188

        (Once again, my thanks to darth-sinister for reproducing this quote)

        Fear is only one side of the coin; or one part of a “complex cosmic equation”. There’s more to the downfall of society and the corruption of conscience than just fear. And fascism isn’t the only ill — even in the political sphere — that can arise when a society, to put it plainly, doesn’t have its shit together. I think the prequels reflect/explore a wider reality than the one RJ sees.

        • andywylde77

          Great comment! Yeah and as far as Anakin goes, his turn was also motivated by his lust for power. Among other things. But when he killed the tuskens in AOTC, he really got a taste of the dark side. And even though he was very upset over the fact that he did that. But that was his first step into a “darker” world.

      • Cryogenic

        I commented back just now. But the comment may have gone in the wrong place. This posting-about-Star-Wars thing… I forgot how addictive it is. 😉

        • lovelucas

          Brilliant summation – lots of fodder to fight those who still won’t believe the prequels added the richness it does. But….as with politics in the US these days, I’ll make my case where it counts, not arguing with really deep ignorance that’s cultivated to continue.

      • Cryogenic

        @lovelucas…

        Thank you very much, LL. 😉

        I hear you, too. “Don’t throw your pearls before swine”; or something like that. I do prefer, in many ways, discussing these movies with like-minded people.

        However, I’ve also enjoyed arguing their merits in a few lions’ dens, over the years. Both approaches are — or can be — fruitful in their own way. Nevertheless, as I said, I hear you. 😉

    • Cryogenic

      Thanks, Andy. Anakin chasing power is certainly a function of his fear of loss, but his lust for power can also be expressed rather directly as him being greedy — and a thousand other factors. I’ll quote myself, this time, quoting Rinzler, quoting Lucas:

      “The audience knows Anakin is going to the dark side, but the things he’s struggling with are so subtle that it may be hard for people to understand why his obsession to hold on to Padme is so strong.”

      –George Lucas, The Making Of ROTS (J.W. Rinzler), Pages 204-205

      “Obsession” is a word that describes Anakin rather well. But, as Lucas indicates above, there’s a lot of stuff he’s contending with; and many of these subtle artifacts are, I think, usually discounted/ignored by fans and critics of the PT and Anakin’s arc.

      And yes, I would agree that Anakin truly began venturing down the dark path when he switched his laser sword on and slaughtered the Tuskens. He became estranged from himself in that moment, and his initial deflection in the Lars garage is interesting for the meta/self-aware qualities it conveys: “The shifter broke.” We know that this event still haunts him in ROTS when Palpatine reminds him of it: “Remember what you told me about your mother — and the Sand People?” And then the distant sound of Tusken howling (intermixed with engine/explosion sounds of the battle outside) immediately follows.

      I like your paraphrase of the Obi-Wan remark. Just as Luke got a lesson in the “light” side of the Force in the benevolent innards of the Millennium Falcon under the calm instruction of Obi-Wan, so Anakin, without Obi-Wan at his side, tasted something dark and terrifying in that moment in the Tusken tent — that poignant moment when he was, for the first time in his life, all alone, shocked, bewildered, confused, and breaking apart in the dark. The rest of his prequel journey traces his descent into an iron lung — how he poetically becomes another “monster” in a mask; that which he both fears and hates.

      If there’s a single image in the OT that is spectacularly enriched and deepened in the light of the prequels, it may be the close-up shot(s) of the Vader mask burning at the end of ROTJ. Sort of a remarkable “pause and reflect” moment where we see the sadness of Vader’s life with fresh eyes. For it’s truly the prequels, and Anakin’s trajectory in AOTC, in particular, that allow us to reflect on the folly that Anakin embraced; how his destiny became bound up with his pain; how he pitiably recreated himself in the image of something he reviled; how the circle became complete and then broken and re-made when Anakin at last freed himself from the yoke of the Dark Side in a symbiotic dance with his son; how dignity and wholeness came back to him when the shadow was recognised and the mask abandoned.

      • lovelucas

        “The audience knows Anakin is going to the dark side, but the things he’s struggling with are so subtle that it may be hard for people to understand why his obsession to hold on to Padme is so strong.”

        More please. Sir, I want some more.

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