George Lucas,  Parks

George Lucas praises Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge: “It’s Star Tours on steroids”


From Entertainment Weekly:

“Some familiar Star Wars heroes helped launch the new Galaxy’s Edge theme park attraction at Disneyland.

Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Billy Dee Williams, and Star Wars creator George Lucas were among the luminaries who helped cut the ribbon on the 14-acre fantasy world meant to bridge our planet and the galaxy far, far away.

On a stage set up outside the life-sized Millennium Falcon that rests in the center of the rocky-mountain town of Black Spire Outpost, Luke, Han, Lando, and the man who brought them to life welcomed the first crowd of guests to the planet Batuu.

First up, Disney Chairman and CEO Bob Iger welcomed Lucas to speak to the crowd, who invoked the name of the long-ago first Star Wars ride at Disneyland by calling Galaxy’s Edge “Star Tours on steroids.”

Then Williams made an appearance, talking about Lando Calrissian’s long history with the Falcon, and taking pride as her original owner.

Then it was Luke Skywalker’s turn. Hamill also spoke about Star Tours, saying that was the last time he was at such an event.

Finally, Iger called for the Millennium Falcon to fire its engines, but the old machine wouldn’t turn over.

He asked if anyone in the crowd knew how to fix it.

That’s when Ford appeared. Giving the hull of the ship a good whack, he called out to the late Chewbacca originator Peter Mayhew.

“Peter, this one’s for you,” Ford said.

Galaxy’s Edge opens in California on Friday and in Florida on August 29, but not all of the rides will be finished on opening day as the park is opening in stages. […]”

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  • archdukeofnaboo

    According to a review from Danny Ramirez (Vader fan film director), who got to visit this theme park early, it features nothing from the prequel trilogy.

    • Alexrd

      I find it ironic that they got the original trilogy stars and Lucas himself (whatever happened to forget and kill the past?) to advertise the opening, only to make a sequel trilogy theme park that is only recognizable and appealing to a marginal part of the audience. They banked so hard on their movies’ success when they began building this, that it will now backfire on them. Amusing, really.

  • archdukeofnaboo

    He did point out those Hondo and Ahsoka things, but he felt its PT coverage to be really disappointing. He was given 4 hours and said he’d covered it all.

    Overall Danny actually enjoyed the theme park, however this website is – and its readers are – devoted to the prequels and on that basis it’s difficult to give Galaxy Edge the seal of approval.

    It may be nice for Sequel fans, but that doesn’t mean scraps for PT fans can be justified.

  • Cryogenic

    Another hot take on this:

    George Lucas, a fat old billionaire with shares in the Trade Federation-like company he sold his creation to, putting in a cameo (and possibly contractual) appearance, propping up an overrated theme park attraction, along with some other 70-ish-year-old men, that will sell overpriced plastic junk ($100 for a plastic robot, $200 for an oversized lightsaber — though, to be fair, mostly metal, not plastic), in a boring setting that is little more than a tacky, faux Star Warsian bazaar, with obligatory toilets, disabled access, and a couple of restaurants. Oh, and there’s some turgid, family-friendly Millennium Falcon ride, with dull, rubbishy cartoony graphics, when you could stay home and get a superior experience playing “Vader Immortal” for five minutes (without queuing) on your Oculus. Yeah, this isn’t some lame money-grab, disguised as a technological marvel and the pinnacle of interactive visitor adventure, at all…

    I think the main “Disneyland Adventure” on YouTube really says it all: 720p, supposedly at 60 frames per second (when it’s clearly the standard 30 frames for the opening ceremony upload), and worse quality than a Joe Rogan podcast video. They’re hardly pulling out all the stops. Admittedly, the sequel films are very polished; yet even they lack, on various aesthetic levels, the beautiful grandeur and meticulous precision of the prequels, and all the wit and charm and primal intrigue of the originals. In little more than five years, Disney have run a forty-year franchise into the ground; which, despite all the jabbering and complaining when Lucas had hold of his property, the maker of the franchise never managed to do.

    On another note, Iger seemed really uncomfortable there on-stage, and someone screwing up the Falcon activation cue, after Harrison Ford took a moment to pay tribute to Peter Mayhew and delayed his pre-scripted, TESB-style punch-the-hull, gentle-persuasion technique, made the whole thing even more clunky and awkward — though Ford’s little shout-out and the subsequent mistiming (followed by Iger chuckling and adding “Oh, well”) did add a human touch to an otherwise stodgy, underwhelming, and predictably impersonal event. And it’s always nice to see Billy Dee Williams. A cool guy; always radiates intelligence and gratitude; and always well-dressed. And back from when Star Wars (and blockbuster entertainment) actually meant something.

    • Cryogenic

      @ Acer Pats:

      And you are who, exactly — and with how many troll accounts?

      Discussing someone else’s opinion, by simply attacking their character and using childish epithets, is an ad hominem fallacy. I bet you have quite the career in the YouTube comments section.

      I think I’ve earned the right to an opinion. Even when it upsets easily triggered snowflakes like yourself. In fact, in many ways, it’s all the more reason to offer an opinion that might sound embittered and cynical. We don’t live in a collectivist dystopia. Negativity and the uttering of unfavourable opinions are critical to the proper functioning of a democratic society.

      Of course, if you find what somebody else says *that* upsetting, you could simply bypass their posts, or make more positive ones of your own. But that would require the exercising of restraint in the former, and the mustering of effort in the latter.

    • Cryogenic

      @ Acer Pats:

      “Only people to call people snowflakes are corrupt Trump-supporting Republican Lucas-cult Star Wars fans like you.”

      False dichotomy. The term “snowflake”, in the modern derogatory understanding of the term, traces back to Chuck Palahniuk’s 1996 novel “Fight Club” (later made into an iconic film bearing the same title). Well before it possibly became co-opted by Trump-supporting Republicans; before even the advent of social media where everyone slings the insult about. In a 2017 interview, Palahniuk says he stands by the term, and even states he feels there’s “a new Victorianism” afflicting the modern generation. In any case, I lean left, not right; but the left isn’t devoid of its own tyrannies and stupidities. As I have personally experienced various times the last half-decade.

      Perhaps it’s unfortunate the term captivated the collective imagination of the political right, because I think the author was originally thinking of a bigger set of issues. Nevertheless, more than twenty years later, he would probably be accused of being a “red pill” MRA, and therefore marked with the left’s version of the Star of David and dismissed as regressive / inferior / evil. People don’t really talk to each other any more. They fire shots behind well-drawn battle lines. Anyone who attempts to cross a line is simply shot down as a traitor or falsely labelled as you just did to me.

      “While you may be respectfully unhappy with a majority of aspects of Disney’s Star Wars, u could show a little decorum to a few and give them the respect they deserve for doing some right things.”

      When I see the “right things” they’re doing, I’ll be sure to let you know (if it means that much to you ‘n’ all).

      If anything, when I give praise or commendation, know that it stands out from the contours of my negativity/criticism, and that you should value it all the more — because I’m being real, not fake. Not that you ever have to agree. Pro or con.

      You sound a lot more into “The Clone Wars” and spin-off material than I am. More power to you. Maybe there are some reasons to be positive there, given the “Filoni Factor”, but I’m not the one to judge either way. Some might also charge that Disney did the dirty on Filoni and the whole series by cancelling TCW for five years. No matter which part of the fabric you look at, you find the stain of Disney everywhere. That said:

      I think Disney have done a few things right. And note, for the record, I actually began my main post that you reacted to (or against) by bashing Lucas, of all people; which wasn’t easy. Or maybe it was and I’m too entrenched to admit it. But it’s certainly out of the norm for me. I’m bummed out about a lot to do with the whole Disney transition. I struggle to recognise any of it as legitimate. But if you want a few notes of restrained positivity:

      They’ve done a fair-to-middling job with the sequels. They’re watchable and slickly executed. In other words, I don’t think they’re awful. But I disagree with many of their components; one way or another. And, of course, I miss Lucas.

      The official website, I think, is pretty good. Maybe not to the peak level it was under Lucas in the prequel years, but better than the state it fell into in the interregnum phase, circa 2008 to Lucas selling to Disney in 2012. There used to be a lot more material there at one time, then the site became something of a desert. Lucas seemed content to let it rot. I’m glad that it’s been spruced up and that there are some semi-decent articles on there again under Disney.

      The modern Celebration events have actually been quite fun. Even though the prequels were largely excluded until this year. Perhaps the highlight of everything under Disney, so far, was when Ian McDiarmid appeared on stage after the Episode IX teaser had just been played, milking it for a moment and trying to compose himself, and then he hissed in full Sidious voice: “ROLL IT AGAIN.” That was fantastic!

      I like Kylo in the sequels, too. I think he’s an interesting continuation of the legacy of Anakin. Which might be going through the sequels under the terms of Disney, instead of how Lucas conceived of it, but it’s still something neat to hang onto. That’s why I’m not 100% anti-sequel. I can still convince myself there’s some worth to the sequels. On the other hand, to me, they’re not the prequels, either. So I won’t pretend to enjoy them half as much or find them half as cinematically compelling.

      If this whole era of Star Wars under Disney in its “first chapter” has been enjoyable at all, then it’s seeing it all unfold, in “real time”. I’ve actually gotten a kick out of following it and commenting; even if most of my comments skew toward the negative. Unfortunately, or fortunately, I became very attached to the prequels over time; because I perceived such a solid foundation from the start. Disney haven’t given me the same vibe about anything they’ve been doing. I generally find the whole regime change disagreeable. And I don’t think I can be rewired at this point (let alone shamed out of my opinions). But you never know.

    • archdukeofnaboo


      It looks like Anthony has stepped in to clean up the profanity on his blog. I can’t blame him – this is WordPress, not the cesspit that is the YouTube comment section – but it does mean, unfortunately, that many future readers are going to miss out on the opportunity to witness your most delightful comebacks. Oh, well, jolly well better move along then.

      Actually, this is the second occasion of comments being deleted on this same page. And there was the incident of a troll on the recent Bobba Fett article too.

      I would like to put it out there that I very much welcome new and diverging opinions on Naboo News, however, and here I borrow from a famed Jedi Master, be careful as to not become “so uncivilised”. The previous removed comment (responding to this same Cryogenic comment) was an ugly ad hominem, and way out of line. It is perfectly fine to disagree with a user, even if it is for strong reasons, but please – for Yoda’s sake – do so with some courtesy and respect.

      • Cryogenic

        @ Arch Duke:

        It’s a shame, really — despite the vitiating nature of their ad hominem.

        I wrote quite a lot in response, and it feels like another load of wasted effort, even though I understand the rationale for removal.

        See, they issued a second response, and that one had a reasonable degree of substance to it. Their first response was pure personal attack, but their second attempt at engaging me in an argument wasn’t just a shotgun cartridge of keyboard-warrior abuse.

        Sounds like you saw it and my follow-on response. So at least I had another reader other than myself and possibly my irascible interlocutor! But I otherwise bothered for no reason, other than getting to flex my writing muscles for my own amusement.

        I dunno, man. I’m so down about censorship and deletion, it doesn’t feel like I should keep swimming against the tide and uploading content, here or elsewhere, only to see it swept away mere minutes or hours later. But thanks, AD. Always.

      • archdukeofnaboo


        Remember the debate we had about the final scene of Episode III a few months ago? Now that was well done – there was a long thread of replies, but not once did we (including another regular, whose name escapes me) resort to slinging mud at one another.

        I suppose not every visitor is so well acquainted with your characteristic blend of world-wearying cynicism and satire. The internet is not a platform where the subtleties of irony and tone translate very well; but, it is always worth a try.

        Here’s my highlight of your exchange with “Acer Pats”:

        “And you are who, exactly — and with how many troll accounts?

        Discussing someone else’s opinion, by simply attacking their character and using childish epithets, is an ad hominem fallacy. I bet you have quite the career in the YouTube comments section.”

      • Cryogenic

        @ Arch Duke:

        (And Joe: I don’t think AD was referring to you, but another poster who could barely contain themselves and seems to have attacked multiple people here — probably you included — for slamming the Disney regime).

        That Episode III debate was quite the exchange, wasn’t it? I like long, involved prequel discussions; but even on a comments section like here, they don’t crop up too often. As we have previously said: it’s not quite the right format.

        See, I’m not simply “anti-Disney”, and wouldn’t want that defining my online identity under this account. I’m also very pro-prequel. Alas, I suppose negativity is more attention-grabbing, even though I’m not really vying for more attention when I bash Disney than I am when I make posts in support of the PT. And while there is always more to ring out of the prequel washcloth, the Disney films are new, while the prequels are familiar territory; though they are also the gift that keeps on giving (to pseudo-quote Mark Hamill in the above clip).

        I’m probably not getting the balance right. But that’s hard. I’ve already spoken up in defence of the prequels a fair bit over the years, and now, in a way, the conversational ground has shifted. It’s natural we’ve all become drawn into the web of Disney and are putting more of our focus there. It can’t be helped. I mean, while this blog is named after a prequel planet, includes the term “we love the prequels here” in the banner image (and yes — I love that!!), and has its share of prequel-oriented news items, there is also a significant degree of digital copy being given to modern developments; which, in short, means Disney. But I think I’d rather be talking about the prequels over all.

        Thanks for saving the quote! I did my usual and archived the earlier comments. I think the subsequent exchange I had was my favourite. Let’s see. If it isn’t too egotistical to quote oneself:

        “If this whole era of Star Wars under Disney in its “first chapter” has been enjoyable at all, then it’s seeing it all unfold, in “real time”. I’ve actually gotten a kick out of following it and commenting; even if most of my comments skew toward the negative. Unfortunately, or fortunately, I became very attached to the prequels over time; because I perceived such a solid foundation from the start. Disney haven’t given me the same vibe about anything they’ve been doing. I generally find the whole regime change disagreeable. And I don’t think I can be rewired at this point (let alone shamed out of my opinions). But you never know.”

        And on the sharing of critical and harsh thoughts generally:

        “We don’t live in a collectivist dystopia. Negativity and the uttering of unfavourable opinions are critical to the proper functioning of a democratic society.”

        Or as Christopher Hitchens once put it:

        “Seek out argument and disputation for their own sake; the grave will supply plenty of time for silence.”

      • archdukeofnaboo


        Well, it may not be perfect here, but it does seem a lot more productive than the quality of the debating I’ve witnessed on Twitter.

        You really hit the nail on the head by describing how the Disney-financed films have fundamentally – and perhaps irrevocably – changed the dialogue within the PT community. I think that is a great shame. Whether you like the new movies or not shouldn’t matter on a forum like this – what truly does matters is that you support Lucas and his work. We need to understand – admit – that there are PT fans out there who have gone on to like the sequels, and that’s perfectly fine. Remember that this website is dedicated to defending the legacy of Lucas and his films, it is not here the serve in the trenches of a culture war. The fact that our moderator posts content from a whole range of outlets with different political viewpoints should make this abundantly clear.

        If I’m on Naboo News to read about a new novel or comic set during the Republic-era, I do not need to see people ranting against TFA and TLJ in the comments. There are places for these discussions, and articles which invite this are posted, but here they are entirely irrelevant. As another commenter reminded me lately, disappointments or disagreements with expanded material are nothing new, and even Lucas himself, when he was calling the shots, had issues with Mara Jade, the Old Republic (pre 1000BBY) amongst others. So to those acting like everything got ruined after the acquisition: stop your pretending.

      • Cryogenic

        @ Arch Duke:

        Twitter is a fairly low bar to compare ANYTHING to! Even Twitter is ashamed of Twitter. LOL. But I know what you mean.

        And don’t get me wrong: I cherish this comments section. I’ve been living out my prequel-loving life here — in terms of public conversation/discourse — for the past two years. Or is it more like eighteen months? It seems like two years. But anyway. Naboo News has given me an opportunity to compliment, complain, rage, and engage. As far as I’m concerned, it has essentially supplanted my old haunts: IMDb (boards now deactivated), TFN (boards now tyrannical), SWPAS (in limbo), and an earlier blog called “A Certain Point Of View” (now deleted). If anything, prequel discussion venues have dried up, and Naboo News is the proverbial oasis in the desert.

        And I’m grateful you resonate to a lot of what I say; and our numerous back-and-forths have all been pleasant and enjoyable. We somehow locked onto each other’s wavelength; and if it doesn’t too self-involved, I think the quality of our conversations has been pretty high. It’s definitely the kind of discourse I prefer; compared, to say, the overly-prevalent one-line snark approach. By and large, I prefer chunky exposition — because where else does it occur with the prequels? I can’t think of one other place that offers lengthy prequel discussion anymore. If only there were a few other places; and if only more Star Wars discussions went the way our conversations have gone. People are often in little mood to explain themselves; and civility seems a lost art. “An elegant weapon from a more civilised age.”

        I hear you on ranting. I imagine it would become annoying fast — the situation you describe. There are definitely times and places for sequel movie bashing to occur. Alas, I think, to many people, whether they admit it or not, the main saga movies are their Number One thing, their Xanadu, and everything else is effectively secondary. It therefore makes a good measure of sense to focus on the films; or it is otherwise difficult, at times, to *avoid* dwelling on them. After all, when Lucas handed the saga to Disney (albeit at a price), the main carrot he gave them was the promise of a sequel trilogy to offer the general public and rabid fanbase, setting tongues wagging and heads spinning. It’s the saga films, in my eyes, and the fanaticism around them, that make Star Wars what it is; and it’s certainly the original trilogy (combined with an absence of viable competition at the time) that palpably turned the series into a cultural phenomenon.

        But still… Perhaps people need to dial it down at times. I am probably not the person to say, however. I’ve spent an awful deal of time bashing Disney; not merely over the films. But the films are probably my main area of discontent: the natural “kiber crystal” of the entire wretched lightsaber. If you think the foundation of something is riddled with faults and problems, should you keep quiet about it — especially when fanatics and ethnic cleaners of the new regime are banning you and your comrades from discussion spaces you were formerly welcome within? Life is a mixture of light and shadow. Again, perhaps I haven’t been getting the balance right. You’re certainly right to say there’s a lot of love out there for different components. I’m not trying to rain on anyone’s parade or shame them out of their opinions. I just want to give my own and stand by them. Which, these days, the Internet is making increasingly difficult for people to do.

      • archdukeofnaboo


        Perhaps the bigger issue with this community is its small size? From what I can deduce of recent months, regular commentators would amount to seven people: You, Alexrd, myself, Joey, Slicer87, Bob Jones, and Marshall. And, without wanting to sound my own trumpet too much, only the first three have demonstrated the “chunky exposition” you speak of. Of course I welcome more to join us.

        I made my remark about how we should try not to scare away PT fans who also happen to like the ST because I’ve reason to believe that the author behind the Star Wars Prequel Appreciation Society Blog, Lazy Padowan, is one. A quick scroll down her Twitter and it’s obvious. I suspect the schism within the PT community on the sequels greatly affected her motivation towards the site (starting with disabling comments). Thankfully our Supreme Chancellor at Naboo News looks braced to weather the storm.

        It’s going to be rather interesting debating the prequels in the 2020s when both it and the sequels are well in the past.

        Despite its fair share of mud-slinging, there are a few robust discussion platforms relating to SW to be found on Reddit. I’d highly recommend checking out r/MawInstallation, which likes to deal with the hypothetical and what-if scenarios in the lore. Contributors tend to be more articulate than on the main board and have a soft spot for military analysis.

        Now for question time.

        How is your book coming along? Is the temptation to start a SW blog any stronger than when I last asked? I think there’s definitely an appetite on the interweb for long form analysis of the prequel lore. You could reach out to Mike Klimo and D. Trull and see where things go. You should think about networking with people who write articles on say, the Coffee with Kenobi blog. What have you got to loose?

        Has the idea of a podcast ever crossed your mind?

      • Cryogenic

        @ Arch Duke:

        It’s a very small community, indeed. There’s something pleasing in that. Yet I won’t say we aren’t lacking a broader array of perspectives. I miss the symphony of voices that a robust message board system can encourage. Conversations are more structured, and with enough voices, discussion is enriched and this nice feedback loop can develop — an emergent holarchy. Very few people get into lengthy posts. I wish we had a few more that do.

        Lazy Padawan seems very down on criticism. However, she herself was doing her share of Disney bashing a few years ago; then she suddenly decided she didn’t want to hear of any coming from her reader base anymore. Which is certainly a bit strange. After all, she runs a blog called the “Star Wars Prequel Appreciation Society”, not the “Walt Disney Company Appreciation Society”.

        It’s her blog, of course, and she can do whatever she wants; but it’s another example of prequel fans being shut down and censored when they make critical remarks of something that isn’t the prequels (but relates to them), now owned by a corporation. In LP’s case, her bugaboo seems to be criticism of Star Wars in general; which is fair enough. But more generally speaking:

        Somehow, under Disney, fans have become good little stormtroopers, only too happy to do the will of Disney on its behalf. Quite a blow that TFN turned hostile to criticism and the IMDb boards were shut down, and then LP followed through by switching off comments, all in the span of roughly eighteen months, from early 2017 to late 2018.

        So yes, I very much approve of Anthony letting us have our way and tolerating dissent during a time of stormy seas. He feeds us nice scraps of meat, too, of course. He isn’t afraid to highlight various prequel-based issues with the new regime. A lot of people still deny that Disney has ever showed any bias against the prequels at all — which, to me, is quite amazing (but people never cease to amaze me). At least Anthony doesn’t pretend that that’s the case. And then we have our chance to hash things out underneath.

        I’ll look into the Reddit discussion spaces. My favourite thing is discussing characters, themes, and visuals; and the overall structuring of the prequels as works of cinematic art. I’m a bit less into the “lore” side of things than some. I also have a focus on prequel criticism and bashing; and lots to say in response, based on human psychology, sociology, et al. Technically, this other side of my posting does stray more into what some might tersely call “psychoanalysis”, but that’s okay, because they’re just my opinions. I like making certain speculations about society at large and the human animal as a whole — or as a semi-blank-slate subject to cultural forces and collectivist biases.

        The book has stalled over the last six weeks or so. I had a burst of inspiration right before that, then things tapered off. I also started a new job a few weeks ago, which has further reduced progress. But don’t worry. I aim to return to writing soon. It may all eventually take the form of a blog. I’m not reaching out to anyone at present. A podcast of some sort has crossed my mind. I’ve even had a few prequel conversations with other fans on Skype; which were recorded. They went very well. Made me think that a “roundtable” discussion of some sort might be a nice thing to do and then actually upload for public consumption. On the other hand, in writing, you can be more focused, and a lot more accurate, since you have time to check sources and make sure your claims are correct.

        I probably should try and network with a few established places like “Coffee With Kenobi”, as you just mentioned. I know, at some point, I’ll have to try reaching out. Any project you seriously undertake, when you’re trying to reach a wider audience, even just a niche audience, needs adequate outreach and promotion. In fact, this part of my book/blog is just as challenging for me as the content itself. I suddenly realise how difficult it is to get anything off the ground; let alone become successful. Just makes me respect all those other people who are doing this stuff and making it look easy all the more. Times a million for Lucas himself: a shy, introverted guy who had to marshal entire armies of people, and eventually changed the lives of millions. Not bad for a racing nerd from Modesto.

      • archdukeofnaboo


        Yes, if the community is too large then you’re conversing with somebody different all the time. Which is fine in the real world, but online, when you’ve got nothing to go off, it can quickly lead to serious misunderstandings. Such was the case with the recent deleted commentator here, who, instead of trying to understand your view, went straight for the kill and accused you of being a Trump supporter – an assertion I couldn’t help bursting out laughing at, such was the absurdity.

        It’s all about finding a balance. I’m assuming on TFN you had a much larger number of commentators prepared to go in-depth, but that it wasn’t overcrowded with new people begging for a fight either. I don’t like the way those forums format writing into very wide spaces though (same issue on Wikipedia), and I much prefer the more narrow columns we find here. When a site likes to go 30+ words across, which I honestly find head-wrecking, I find a solution in Firefox’s “reader view”.

        Podcasting may not be for you if you’re someone whose always felt more comfortable with the pen, or indeed keyboard. Yet it is still less contrived and so much more informal than having to talk – to act – in front of a camera and pretend people are watching.

        I like your idea of the roundtable format for a podcast. That gives you, the host, some breathing space, where you can listen to the thoughts of your guests and bounce off their ideas, or perhaps even challenge them. With just three other well-informed prequelists, it could be really fun.

        That’s cool to hear about those Skype calls. Presumably these are prequel fans from TFN? Are you still in contact with any of them since your banning? If yes, would you ever consider luring them to Naboo News?

        Have you thought about recording a commentary track for the PT? I bet you have!

      • Cryogenic

        @ Arch Duke:

        The guy that raged at me — and, at the same time, pleaded with me to be nicer and show “decorum” — blasted me for being endlessly down about Disney; implying he’d encountered some of my posts before and perhaps exceeded his (or her) personal tolerance for my hardened cynicism (or, indeed, any continuation of criticism of Disney, from me or anyone else).

        It was rather amusing that they assumed I’m a Trump supporter. But they weren’t completely off the mark. I do have some begrudging respect for Trump. It isn’t easy being President, and the left has elevated vindictive overcompensation to an art form. I still dislike a lot of what Trump stands for, but it isn’t right-wingers scrubbing content from social media platforms or removing people from employment, or banning them from message boards, college campuses, etc.

        In retrospect, I have to hand it to Trump for battling through an incredibly hostile mainstream media, while the left continues its Nazi-like extermination of contrary voices and perspectives. And in the last few days, things have reached a new low, with YouTube removing tons of educational content on fascism, due to poorly designed and overreaching algorithms, set loose in response to leftist outrage and constant pressure from voices on the left for tech companies to “clean up” their platforms and show “zero tolerance” for whatever the left deems “hate speech”. This is what ultimately happens with any strain of fanaticism; especially when people go barking at the towers of corporate oligarchies to acknowledge their mob anger and carry out their ideological demands.

        On TFN, some people were prepared to go in-depth, and I found such conversation highly stimulating. That’s certainly something I miss. Occasionally, you would get a new person trying to challenge you, or spread the same kind of anti-prequel misanthropy. The PT forum was also never free of people with an axe to grind. In recent years, several Disney fanatics nearly took over the entire forum, and the mods did nothing. Correction: They did do something. They shut lively threads and banished the most impassioned prequel fans, identifying those fans as the prime instigators (rather than taking any action against the sneering Disney fans and former prequel fans, both, who deliberately started arguments and brandished prequel fans as conspiracy theorists, kooks, etc. — in a crude but effective attempt to derail threads and shame prequel fans into silence whenever they spoke against Disney or correctly inferred that Lucas was less than happy with the new copyright holders).

        Sorry — where were we? Oh, yes. Columns. I’m not so keen on these narrow columns myself. I understand they might read better on smaller devices, but I always post on a large screen, so no issues there for me. I have no fear of lengthy paragraphs; as you may have noticed! I feel at home when I encounter a dense response. Of course, there’s only so much time in the day, and I understand that even the most dedicated reader and soaker-upper of heavy blocks of text must pick and choose the content they actually look at. It does sound like there’s a lot of logic in your text-snapping approach. Maybe this comments section formats text better than I’m appreciating. I’m okay with wide paragraphs, and with their more slender, corseted versions!

        I don’t feel too uncomfortable in the domain of speaking. I feel like master of the universe with text, by comparison, though. The issue, for me, is finding enough participants. Perhaps, indeed, I don’t like the idea of addressing the world with my voice alone. The roundtable idea is innately appealing. I like the way things have gone in the Skype conversations. They’re fun; if a bit messy. But that’s also the thing: they feel more like actual conversations, with an organic back-and-forth, a pleasing rhythmic “smooshiness”, because that’s what comes of having a conversation instead of delivering a one-person lecture (dialogue vs. monologue).

        I’ve tried to gently nudge a few of those people onto Naboo News. Just as I’ve tried to encourage a few others to join the group chats. But it’s hard, I’ve discovered, to convince people to do anything they don’t already have a strong tendency/inclination to do anyway.

        A commentary track for the PT? The closest I’ve thought about is a video series on the PT; not unlike a sort of annotated commentary track. But, again, I’d probably prefer a group commentary. Maybe we could record several. Watch each film two or three times, because I suspect we’d have too much to say in a single sitting.

        I sense I must become a bit more serious and make some progress on some of these fronts in the near future!

      • archdukeofnaboo


        A video series on the PT, where you make use of voice-over, could be a very lucrative pursuit (this is what got Star Wars Theory so big). Apart for writing a lengthy script, which I have no doubt you’d be capable of, it would require you to become well adept at video-editing, and this may prove a big hurdle if you haven’t any prior experience. That’s where I come in – I’ve worked on short films in the past. I’d be willing to assist with some of these more painstaking editing tasks, and the direction of the project would still be in your hands.

        Two questions

        1: Assuming the series is to be published on YouTube, do you want it to be monetised?
        2: Presuming yes to the above – I mean, why the hell not? – how would you get around the inevitable claim from Lucasfilm of using their footage? Unless its composed of short clips, which perhaps it would be, I find it difficult to see how you could claim it under “fair use”. I don’t know a whole lot about how YouTube creators operate, to be honest, though I do know that monetising has become more difficult in recent years.

        I’m straying too far by talking about you might make a few bucks off this (as of now, very hypothetical) project. These are lofty notions you shouldn’t have on day one, and you’d probably be wiser to try it out as an experiment, non-monetised, and see how it plays out. As long as you have a platform where a wide variety of people can access your work, you’re doing well. WordPress is much the same idea for blogs, right?

        Publishing a video series, with your own voice narrating, means putting yourself out there to a greater degree than any blog would involve. I don’t know you so well, but I do suspect – as most sci-fi geeks tend to be – that you’re the more introverted type, and it may be out of your comfort zone. With regards annotating a video series, I don’t think this format offers you the space that any focused analysis would necessitate. Mountains of text just don’t work in videos.

        Recording a commentary track would be a purely personal endeavour. You would do it for your own pleasure, for your own reference, and, I guess, to cross off your bucket-list. It would be way more fun to do with fellow SW fans, but unless you’re doing it in person together, I struggle to see how it would work out over the internet; it just wouldn’t be the same. Or would it?

        “I sense I must become a bit more serious and make some progress on some of these fronts in the near future!”

        You should. How do you know you’ll have the same enthusiasm in 5 years time? You may have quietly decided to step away from the Star Wars cybersphere by then, prompted by who knows what. I make no commitments either. Strike while the iron is hot, I say!

        I believe a blog is still your best bet. And I would be very willing to collaborate, provided it wouldn’t degenerate into a political soapbox. An range of different essays would be great; news and media aggregation is the role of Naboo News. Here is an example of what we should aim for:

        I also really admire how that author has designed his/her blog. It’s WordPress-based like here, but much more modern in its integration of large, wrapping images around text (central columns FTW). Notice also the personal domain name, which adds a lot of authenticity. I know one reputable host offering a discount price of €12 for first year.

        Let me your thoughts on the blog.

      • Cryogenic

        @ Arch Duke:

        A blog is probably the way to go for me.

        Thanks for offering your skills with video editing. Editing has always appealed to me, but I’ve never really attempted any. Until a few years ago, most computers weren’t really powerful enough, anyway. So that is something I presently have no particular understanding of. I’m sure I could brush up fairly fast if I really wanted, but it would take a while to become skilled, and I could probably do with some help.

        But do I really want to go that way? I’m not sure. The “fair use” issue you bring up is one that has been on my mind a lot. And we see how YouTube are behaving at present — not good. If you think there’s a reasonable chance your efforts will be for nothing and your content will simply be blocked, well, I have to say: that’s a pretty good deterrent from starting.

        Short films? You are a man of many talents. I really only have skills in writing and photography. Video editing, or video making, obviously brings such talents together (or those talents, I would imagine, provide a solid foundation), so I should probably learn in my own time — but thank you again. Your willingness to support me is commendable; and very appreciated!

        One reason I’ve been holding fire on all these things (blog, YouTube series, podcast, etc.) is the money issue you mention. I certainly desire to have my projects monetised in the future, as I’ve spent years crafting posts and capturing screenshots (a visual blog is also planned), all on my own dime. The sickest thing imaginable (well, okay, there are always sicker things) is spending thousands of hours on something you love, but not receiving a penny in return. Unfortunately, while I’d like to keep doing things from the goodness of my heart, I know I can’t, because a) I don’t think my heart is all that good, and b) everyone needs money (and c — I’m frankly more than a little jaded I have no money to show for all the effort I’ve gone to in the past).

        Thank you for that example. I wasn’t familiar with that blog. The author seems very articulate and passionate! I see what you mean about the bordered paragraphs. From the following essay:

        “It is my fear that should the idea of anapnoic fiction enter into the broader culture, it will be used in ways that are not inherently hostile to state and capital. Were this to happen, the compromised fiction would be anapnoic no more, but just an aesthetic husk devoid of any real radical themes.”

        It sounds like you! Is it you? 🙂

        In any case, “an aesthetic husk devoid of any real radical themes” seems to describe the Disney films eerily well!

        I don’t have a great fear of showing myself on camera (necessarily); but I just seem naturally adept with getting my thoughts across via the written word — as you seem to recognise yourself.

        I’d probably take to blogging like a duck to water. When you think about it, I’ve really been blogging without a blog for the past two decades!

        So, as you have suggested, a blog is probably the best way to go. But a YouTube series, if done right, might pull me in a good deal of extra money.

        Really, as much as I have a passion for Star Wars, I am trying to think of ways of earning money online; as I’ve more or less reached the end of my tether with regular paid employment, and if other people can prosper online, I don’t see why I can’t. One way or another, I want to make the Internet work for me; I already spend a good chunk of my life on it. It’s a disgrace — social media companies should be paying *me*! Okay, that’s my Trumpian arrogance/complaining quota exhausted for the day.

      • archdukeofnaboo


        No, it is not me. Yours truly does not not engage in dual personas on WordPress. Well, we know who does.

        “Inner Moon” seems to be one the better writers I’ve come across on a Star Wars blog; articulate and engaging in their prose, and creative, imaginative and thoughtful in their ideas. I love the concept of finding a issue in the cannon and then going to trouble of resolving it. You should leave them a comment at the bottom of any article you enjoyed, and show your appreciation!

        I think you’d enjoy weighing in the conversation we’re having in the comments here:

        Have you ever thought about opening up your own Star Wars forums?

        Would you prefer to operate the blog on your own, or to work with myself (and potentially others) ? In the case of the latter, you wouldn’t have to put in so much effort at the beginning. I did some research earlier and am ready to go as soon as tomorrow. I have a few ideas for the title.

      • Cryogenic

        @ Arch Duke:

        Thanks for the support, but to be perfectly honest, my plate’s a bit full with work right now, not to mention trying to go forward with my book — and still trying to decide, I guess, whether it should really be a book, or maybe a set of blog entries.

        On top of that, despite my fondness for the “roundtable” concept, I think I’d prefer to do my own blog. Just so there are no clashes. That said, perhaps we could start a message board together? Looks like we’d already have a few fine prequel-lovin’ folk we could nab from this comments section!

        So I’m putting a red (or an amber) light on the blog concept for now. But you have a green light on the message board idea.

        There was actually a board set up, a couple of years ago, called Naberrie Fields, by some of the people I’ve had group chats with on Skype. We can still make our own, if you like, but here is the URL:

        • archdukeofnaboo


          No worries! You can always guest on my blog.

          I think instead of setting up a new forum, we’d better off trying to reinvigorate that Naberrie Fields one? There’s been no activity since last October, so it’s in the same boat as SWPAS, sadly. But if it started in 2017, and has only 7 threads, did it ever really take off at all? What could we do to revive it?

          Would you mind joining in the discussion on the link I gave you from the “Inner Moon” blog? We’re 5 comments in and I think you could add a lot! Cheers.

      • Cryogenic

        @ Arch Duke:

        I feel very tired today; and now my neck and shoulders are hurting (an on-off problem I’ve had for several years; and something that tends to get worse with intensive computer use). So the thought of joining in a totally separate conversation, on a totally separate blog, about a fairly esoteric topic, in which I’m expected to add reasonable substance and high-level insight, is a bit overwhelming right now!

        Still, thank you for giving me a shout-out there. I’ll try and add something later. Admittedly, my first reaction was along the lines of, “Oh, no! A lore thing. What can I possibly add to this topic?” But then, when I actually read the essay and made my way through the responses underneath, I got a little interested in the whole thing (and, as you said, it’s less a lore issue, in some senses, and more a textual or even philosophical critique), and I realised the “Palpatine Problem”, as the author puts it, is something that has bugged me a little bit, too.

        That said, I think I’m inclined to share your perspective more than the author’s. It seems they are objecting to a basic structural and thematic feature of the Star Wars saga. If Palpatine is problematic in the singularity of his evilness, then so is the prophecy and Anakin’s implicit mission to overthrow him and rid the galaxy of the lake-polluting menace of the Sith. Palpatine, of course, has various antecedents in other works of literature, philosophy, and religion; he shouldn’t just be read along political lines. And Star Wars is similarly constructed to reflect a range of human concerns and fascinations. It’s more than a political allegory; which the author seems to be willing it to be.

        I’m not sure what we can do to revive that message board. Maybe nothing. It never really took off. It’s very obscure and has a tiny member list. We might need to start with something fresh. I’ll give it some thought.

      • archdukeofnaboo


        I shall going to join that forum, message the head moderator and see what happens. If I don’t hear back from him/her, I’ll quickly delete my account.

        For starters, Naberrie Fields isn’t a good name. Although much less fanboy than “Padmé Fields” would be, it is still quite feminine, and in a largely male fanbase, this isn’t appropriate. If you want to seek out a considerable membership for a forum, you need something more neutral. Using Nabarrie for a blog title would be fine though.

        I don’t like how the the main banner carries one image, with large empty green spaces at either side. Compare with the filled out one at Reddit Star Wars. And I really don’t like the yellow font given to threads and similar headings – it’s uncomfortable to read.

        I don’t have so much issue with the old-style of Free Forums (ProBoards is the maker). You are paying nothing for hosting, so you can’t ask for too much. However, if I was setting up my own Prequels forum and was serious about getting people signed up, I would be leaning towards more modern software. Ideally with its own “.com” domain; a standard name like “prequel forums” would suffice.

        If we could get a forum with 10-20 consistent members, that would be a success. With 3-4 new threads each months, each being 10+ posts. But I have no idea, what would you aim for?

      • Cryogenic

        @ Arch Duke:

        I got much too tired last night. Sorry for the delayed response.

        I must put in a strenuous defence here! I was involved in helping to create a name for that board. We settled on Naberrie Fields for three basic reasons:

        1) One of the other people in that group chat is a Beatles fan, and I suggested that the name “Naberrie Fields” would be a nice homage to “Strawberry Fields”. Thereby celebrating two sets of artistic geniuses at the same time. As well as nodding in the direction of the PT’s more surreal texture and elusive tonality compared to the OT.

        2) We wanted a name that felt like it was describing an idyllic, restful place, free from the tyrannical reign of the TFN mods and the invidious nature of contentious anti-PT / pro-Disney trolls, who scuppered and derailed various discussions in the PT forum; not only diverting those discussions into areas of inanity, but also deterring others from posting, and even driving some prequel fans away permanently.

        In fact, that is why we were having a private group chat at the time. We all found it much more pleasing posting away from the public glare of the main boards at TFN, and we had more or less secreted ourselves away in the private message system (which allows for multiple participants; up to some modest maximum), later transitioning to Skype (fully in my case — after being banned and locked out of my account).

        The new boards were designed as a peaceful retreat from all that nonsense on TFN; much as Anakin and Padme visit the Lake Country in AOTC to escape the assassination plot, where they become freer to be themselves and explore their feelings for one another. We probably never expected our “breakaway” board to experience much traffic; it was fittingly left to be somewhat isolated and remote — again, much like the Lake Country.

        3) The name might be a bit “feminine”-sounding, but you might also be guilty of perpetuating what Derrida termed “phallogocentrism”. There are plenty of female fans of the PT. I think the PT actually expanded/intensified the ratio of female-to-male hardcore fanatics. Moreover, the PT seems to have a pronounced feminine or sensuous characteristic to it; as beautifully expounded upon by TFN poster Samnz (who runs the Tumblr “swprequelframes”) in 2015:

        The OT was very much defined by Luke’s “father conflict” whereas the Prequels introduced the “mother” and they had a different focus and different sensibilties. The OT deals with Luke and how he has to confront his father in order to bring him back to the good side. The PT deals with Anakin and his challenge of letting go and coming to peace with the natural course of things and loss. It’s, in its basic state, more passive, less confrontational and more “feminine”. The PT also puts a strong focus on the need for diplomacy and trying to avoid war and violence at all costs whereas the OT portrays a period of time in which war and battles have become the only way of solving a conflict.

        This difference, though, is the most noticeable in the way both trilogies portray the love stories. Han/Leia are a pretty male-oriented couple, with a macho guy getting the initially resistant girl to melt ultimately. Anakin/Padmé are a the complete opposite, they are a couple in which the man is more vulnerable and emotional and the woman always seems to be in control of things and is clearly played as the one to decide what direction their relationship takes. Anakin and Han, especially, feel like opposing poles.

        The whole architectural, environmental and cultural focus on beauty in the PT, as opposed to the sober functionality of the OT, is another sign of that difference.

        Then there are all the blogs and sundry pages started and maintained by female fans. Consider the shining example of SWPAS (the Star Wars Prequel Appreciation Society) — a long-standing (and perhaps the most conspicuous) pro-prequel effort and the sole responsibility of Lazy Padawan. Or Matril’s excellent recent blog series “Star Words”, which eloquently analyses the prequels one chapter at a time. Or the classic Anakin-Padme fansite The Moons Of Iego. And some of the PT’s greatest exponents are women: art/social critic Camille Paglia (“Revenge Of The Sith is the greatest work of art in the past thirty years” — and see her book “Glittering Images”), for instance, or film professor Anne Lancashire, who published several early essays on the themes and story concerns of TPM and AOTC, subjecting them to a cogent academic reading. Also a shout-out to two contributors here who previously dwelled on TFN (but no longer): maychild and lovelucas.

        So I must dissent from the notion that Naberrie Fields is a weak name, or somehow out of alignment from fan tastes. I don’t think people are that allergic to the feminine — at least, I hope not. Mary Sues, maybe. But not the expansive scope of the prequels and all the bucolic goodness that a name like Naberrie Fields (hopefully) implies. That said, I came up with alternatives, and I don’t think NF was my first choice. But I did think it fit our humble mission focus just fine.

        On the other hand… I agree with your criticisms on the presentation / formatting. It’s pretty lazy and anodyne, in my opinion. I think we need something sleeker and smarter-looking. Something with a bit more vim. The software is incredibly basic and a bit dumpy. I completely agree that we should try for something a little more modern. And if you have a preferred name, feel free to pick something!

        I would honestly like two or three new threads to appear every week, ideally — and maybe a couple of hundred posts per month (look how many we generate here). But your numbers might be more realistic.

      • archdukeofnaboo


        Come on… you know too well I’ve said it several times that the PT fanbase has a very significant female fanbase. And the prequel bashers, in their heyday, were probably 90%+ male. I do not deny the demine influences on the trilogy, however I think you’re stretching when you start to assign genders to architecture.

        If your group wants to keep the forum as a haven for a dozen exiles from TFN, then the chosen title is fine. When I was analysing, however, I was looking at it through what you might describe as a pragmatic lens: I want something that can grow, slip out of obscurity and become successful. There can be endless threads on feminine influences and the women who collaborated with Lucas, but the front door has to be welcoming to all. Particularly right now where anything perceived as feminine in SW is associated with a feminist agenda. You might be able to make the distinction, but, regrettably, much of of the American right cannot. Whether we like it or not, we have to adjust to that new reality.

        As to the Derrida reference, you do realise that his philosophy, via the sociology department, would be heavily influential to the people who write at Mary Sue (who you later critique in the same comment) ? I think the Economist summed him up nicely, when they declared that “the playful evasiveness of deconstruction masked its moral and intellectual bankruptcy”.

      • Cryogenic

        @ Arch Duke:

        I don’t know what it is with you — or us — but you do make arguing fun, AD!!! Well, it gets the blood flowing, anyway.

        Technically, the architectural ascription was Samnz, not me. I plead innocent of all charges. :p But no, seriously, I obviously invoked him, so I should take the hit. I think he meant there’s a certain flow and flourish to the architecture, or some of it, that one might say is feminine; at least compared to the angular, industrial look of the OT. Same with some of the costuming and environments.

        Did you notice my response to Samnz underneath on that TFN page? Bit egotistical to quote oneself, but here you go (I’ve broken my former chunky paragraph into three manageable ones):

        Look also at the symbolism of how each trilogy begins. The OT, of course, starts above Tatooine: an arid, lawless planet controlled by slimy gangsters and punctuated here and there by spaceports home to smugglers, not to mention desert scavengers and numerous Tusken Raider encampments and the odd taciturn moisture farmer in a luckless turf war with members of the former.

        The PT, in a stunning contrast, unfolds against the gleaming jewel of Naboo: a lush, feminine realm presided over by young teenage girls pressed into an ancient ceremonial role (with the clothing to prove it) with real democratic responsibility, amazing natural architecture (waterfalls, lakes, meadows), and a secret underwater society (water being a hugely symbolic — and actual — source of life and purity). On Naboo, coincidentally enough, we also find the crazy fool of Jar Jar, who might just be the saga’s most sexually-ambiguous character, straddling some androgynous/asexual middle ground, and yet evoking extremes of self-expression at the same time.

        The prequels, in a sense, are Star Wars reborn: reborn to an awareness of more than just masculine empires, cocky smugglers, and unforgiving desert planets.

        I think you might be doing the whole idea down a tad. It’s at least a new angle to look at the aesthetic divide — and the divided affection — between both trilogies from.

        I like The Economist, but all such publications have inherent political biases. They aren’t the full story; mere pieces of the puzzle. One might just as well retort that Derrida has been co-opted by modern ideologues, and incorrectly slandered by centrist and right-wing voices in response. And I don’t say that all feminist narratives are wrong, either — just that they’re narratives.

        Saying the playful evasiveness of a thing masks its moral and intellectual bankruptcy is a bit like maligning Star Wars for its “comic book morality” and “cardboard characters”; as if everything ultimately collapses to one set of attributes or another. To quote one of my other favourite filmmakers, Sofia Coppola: “You’re considered superficial and silly if you are interested in fashion, but I think you can be substantial and still be interested in frivolity.”

        It’s also a kind of word-policing. It’s like when that guy, whose comments have now been deleted, bashed me for using the term “snowflake” and accused me of being a “corrupt Trump-supporting Republican Lucas-cult Star Wars fan” (arguably something of a contradiction in terms). I think you’re falling into the language trap. The very appearance of a particular word or term shouldn’t be cause for instant dismissal; that’s the guilt-by-association fallacy. Also, I bet most people don’t care greatly for Freud or psychoanalysis, but terms like “ego” and “egotism” have somehow found their way into everyday language nonetheless.

        There’s also a valid saying that is useful to remember here: even a broken clock is right twice a day. So perhaps Derrida was a delusional, gaslighting freak; but even if that is granted, it doesn’t necessarily follow that every thought he had lacks any credible substance or intellectual grounding. What is manifested in response is often not really critique; but rather, ideological aversion. “I don’t like the term because I don’t like Derrida” (or what he is now associated with). Which is a particularly lazy form of dismissal.

        Furthermore, suggesting a feminine term isn’t appropriate “in a largely male fanbase” (your words) implies that men are incapable of accepting anything beyond “neutral” phrasing (whatever that means or is supposed to indicate); and therefore, discussion and word-choice need to be held hostage, because men’s biases are superior to women’s and must be catered to. During the making of the original film, Fox supposedly had polling data suggesting that women weren’t keen on the word “war”, and that Lucas should therefore consider changing the film’s title, in order to appeal to a wider audience and not scare away those fragile women. Imagine if he’d done that! There’s a lesson to be located there. In other words, you’re assuming quite a lot.

        That said… Hey, I was just defending the forum name; partly because I came up with it. I’ll add that no-one else had a problem with it at the time (and it was a male-dominated discussion group). And you bypassed the Beatles connection. If they could turn people onto the idea of surrealism and expanding their minds in the 1960s — a febrile decade which also heavily influenced the thinking and feeling of one George Walton Lucas — then maybe I was trying to embed such an idea in the forum name; and maybe people are more okay with it than you realise. Though, all in all, perhaps it is a bit feminine, and suits a particular purpose. I did say that, too.

        Star Wars is a friend of feminism. Has been ever since 1977, actually — you may want to brush up. I simply don’t recognise the way feminist ideology has been used as a sword and shield under the Disney regime. I don’t object to a female protagonist or any of that other “This isn’t Star Wars!” alt-right nonsense. What I object to is the way the sequels were put together and packaged. Quite a distinction. Female characters in Star Wars should be strong and weak and every colour of the rainbow. I just don’t like lazy writing and play-it-safe storytelling and worldbuilding.

        BTW… I don’t know what’s so masculine or neutral about that blog name: “Inner Moon”. While the symbolism is sometimes reversed, the sun is often associated with masculinity, and the moon with femininity and menstruation cycles. Plus, “Inner Moon”, while it has a Wookiepedia entry, doesn’t exactly register “Star Wars”; while “Naberrie Fields”, though obscure, is a nice shibboleth that should be recognisable to dedicated prequel fans. It’s also the other side of “Skywalker”. The Lucas saga is about the melding of those bloodlines. And since the Skywalker side is always emphasized, I think it was a nice gesture to emphasize the other side, for once.

        That’s also why I want to do my own blog, frankly. We’d just end up clashing. We’re aguing over a ****ing word, for goodness sake. Well, okay — two words, maybe. I think we’re both a bit territorial (ub oh — masculinity!), and we both have very strong opinions on what we see in Star Wars, and how it should be framed and discussed. Which is fine. But it’s going to lead to headaches. We could still do a board together, but I can see other projects leading to problems. I already gave you the floor to come up with your own suggestions. Why be mean and shoot down an already-existing name? I never said we had to stick with it; I was just making you aware that an offshoot from TFN already exists.

        On another note: Perhaps I should stop being mean to Disney, actually. Meanness is ugly.

      • jppiper

        @cryogenic and @archdukeofnaboo
        the fact that Star Wars has Female Fans shows that Kathleen The Force is Female Kennedy is full of sh*t

      • archdukeofnaboo


        I think you took read my last message way too seriously, I’m not looking for an argument. There is no need to be antagonistic – remember that I’ve back you up on a lot of things in the past. So what if I differ on the name of a forum no longer in use; does it really matter? Is it worth fighting over?

        I haven’t a clue who Inner Moon is, and on inspection I see that Star Wars is only one of the many things they write about. The “Palpatine Problem” article came to me via a recommendation from the WordPress Reader.

        I take it you won’t be joining the “Palpatine Problem” debate then?

      • Cryogenic

        @ Arch Duke:

        I might still join…

        But I’m tired of hearing that certain words aren’t allowed, or if you use them, that means you’re X or Y; wrong, evil, stupid, going down a bad path, etc.

        At their best, words are meant to strengthen discourse and stimulate thinking. Yet most people seem to spend half their lives reacting to them, or dismissing them out of hand.

        A certain kind of de facto political correctness seems to manifest in all communities, and in all individuals. People are boring past a certain point.

        Anyway. I’m too tired again now and I need to sleep for more of the old capitalist drudgery tomorrow (or “today” now).

      • Cryogenic

        @ Arch Duke:

        LOL! “I am trying.”

        Honestly, this new job is tough going, and I was depleted today. Now, of course, I’ve discovered some energy, but right when I should be going to bed.

        I’m also not certain what I can add. Perhaps I should make a few notes tomorrow, and see if there’s anything in there that might be worth fluffing up into a response.

        It’s tricky with other blogs. In fact, a Jedi mind trick is something I have to constantly pull on my mind, in order to become convinced to go somewhere new.

        Get very set in my ways…

        Anyway, hopefully, I’ll add something tomorrow!

      • archdukeofnaboo


        Change of subject here…

        We discussed Padmé’s cause of death (and the many theories fans have) in recent months, didn’t we?

        This analysis video follows my own view, and presents a very strong argument for its case. Does a superb job of outlining all the little clues Lucas put in, that went way over the heads of too many fans.

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