Prequel Trilogy,  Resistance

Star Wars Resistance season 2 trailer revealed; a super battle droid variant is in it


“Kaz, Tam, and the rest of the crew aboard the Colossus station are making the jump to lightspeed for an epic second, and final, season of Star Wars Resistance this fall. Star Wars Resistance Season Two will premiere on Sunday, October 6, (10 p.m. EDT/PDT) on Disney Channel and DisneyNOW, with subsequent airings on Disney XD.

Set amid the events of Star Wars: The Last Jedi and before Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, the story picks up after a harrowing escape from the First Order, as Kazuda Xiono and the denizens of the Colossus wind up lost in space, pursued by Agent Tierny and Commander Pyre who have taken Tam Ryvora aboard their ship. In the enticing new trailer, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren himself makes an appearance, along with General Hux, Captain Phasma, and plenty of other familiar faces alongside new characters including a never-before-seen Hutt gangster. The thrilling final season promises to spotlight how even unlikely heroes can help keep the spark of hope alive in a troubled galaxy.

Check out the full trailer below!

Joining the cast for the epic conclusion are guest stars Joe Manganiello (Magic Mike) as Ax Tagrin; Daveed Diggs (from the original Broadway cast of the musical Hamilton) as Norath Kev; Matthew Wood (Star Wars: The Clone Wars) as Kylo Ren, and Lucy Lawless (Xena: Warrior Princess) as the Aeosian Queen. Christopher Sean stars as Kazuda Xiono alongside co-stars: Suzie McGrath as Tam Ryvora; Scott Lawrence as Jarek Yeager; Myrna Velasco as Torra Doza; Josh Brener as Neeku Vozo; Donald Faison as Hype Fazon; Elijah Wood as Jace Rucklin; Jim Rash and Bobby Moynihan as Flix and Orka, respectively; Liam McIntyre as Commander Pyre; Jason Hightower as Captain Doza; and Sumalee Montano as Agent Tierny.

The series was created by renowned Lucasfilm Animation veteran Dave Filoni (Star Wars: The Clone WarsStar Wars Rebels); executive-produced by Athena Portillo (Star Wars: The Clone WarsStar Wars Rebels), Justin Ridge (Star Wars: The Clone WarsStar Wars Rebels) and Brandon Auman (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles); and art-directed by Amy Beth Christenson (Star Wars: The Clone WarsStar Wars Rebels).”

A variant of the super battle droid from the Prequel Trilogy appears in the trailer.



  • Steph Do

    Hmm. The Super Battle Droids (especially looking like how they did in The Clone Wars) is gonna be interesting to see how they fit in this final season.

    But, given that Captain Ithano (the red helmeted Quarren-without-the-mouth-tentacles-looking creature) is in the final season, I wonder if it means we’ll see Clone Trooper Kix show up too with Dee Baker returning to voice him. Would be a nice way to explain what the clones were up to after the Original Trilogy and before the Sequel Trilogy and tie in The Clone Wars to the Sequel Era Of Star Wars, too.

    A little sad this show is ending so soon, and hopefully they find a way to tie up everything in 22 episodes without looking rushed, but, I blame Disney for not promoting this show enough along with, understandably, prioritizing the return of The Clone Wars on Disney+ more and for fans for not being kind enough to give the show a fair shot. It’s not as good as Clone Wars or Rebels, but, it shouldn’t be ignored just because they don’t like the idea of a Star Wars TV show made for kids.

  • Natalie

    I recognize Clone Wars because it was done during GL’s reign. Everything else is fan fiction as far as I’m concerned.

    Has everyone heard the latest scandalous rumors? Disney may owe Lucas a cut on every original character they use so that’s why they’ve been killing them or changing them in some way (like C3PO’s red arm). Also, JJ was hired to do a reboot of the saga (or OT). That would explain a lot including why George didn’t ask more money for SW, ILM, Indiana Jones, Skywalker Sound (it’s not just the Star Wars franchise, remember).

      • Natalie

        Oh for sure. Not an original work sight (in cinema). Except maybe Lost pilot but we know how it ended. Maybe he could’ve done something decent with George/Ardnt’s screenplay but he should stay away from writing.

    • Cryogenic

      @ Joe, @ Natalie:

      J.W. Rinzler had a comment on one of his now-pulled blog entries under “The Rise And Fall Of Star Wars”, a set of memoirs concerning his time under Lucasfilm and his personal polemic against the Disney transition (he was unceremoniously fired at the end of 2015 when TFA came out), that Lucas shopped his film companies around, and that one of the interested companies was Sony (Lucas had worked with Sony and Panasonic in developing the digital camera equipment used on Episodes II and III), but quote: “[they] didn’t have deep enough pockets”. Rinzler also wrote: “He’d considered Comcast briefly. He’d taken a look at a few of the Internet giants, too. But Disney had always been the frontrunner.”

      Lucas received a decent amount from Disney, but there are some in the industry who think Disney got a bargain — all his film companies and intellectual properties, including Star Wars and Indiana Jones. TFA alone pulled in $2 billion, which is half what Disney paid to Lucas. The other half, by the way, was in shares, which people often seem to forget. So the better Disney’s stock does, the richer Lucas gets. Clearly, from this point-of-view, nobody would want the new Star Wars endeavours to fail. But then again, Disney has other projects continually on the boil, and it has just made a killing with the Marvel features, so Lucas’ bank balance should be pretty healthy, right now.

      I think Lucas actually bumped the sale price up, as much as he could, by selling his sequel treatments to Disney. Everyone had to sign a non-disclosure agreement, of course, just to have a peek at them. There were probably a few far-out ideas in those treatments (consider Lucas’ recent remarks to James Cameron that he wanted the sequel trilogy to centre around the “microbiotic world” of the Force), but we might never know the full scope of the sequel trilogy’s brilliance, had Lucas retained control of the franchise.

      Abrams was obviously brought in to launch a soft reboot of the series. He’d made it abundantly clear, by then, that rebooting and rebranding beloved franchises is his stock-in-trade, and there was no other reason for Disney to hire him, except to get the ball rolling as quickly as possible on an OT-ized version of the sequel trilogy, and to create a good deal of buzz in the geek-media and online worlds that this was going to be a sequel tailored to mainstream tastes — a hard swing into regressive nostalgia, and a barely-disguised embrace of commercial pandering.

      It wouldn’t surprise me if Lucas built certain financial protections into the sale documents, but on the other hand, I’m reminded of the unsubstantiated rumour that Lucas changed the original films because his ex-wife, Marcia, took him to the cleaners during their divorce.

      As the rumour goes, Marcia demanded residual payments from the release of all future versions of the films they’d worked together on (meaning: “THX-1138”, “American Graffiti”, “Star Wars”, “The Empire Strikes Back”, and “Return Of The Jedi”). So when Lucas changed the originals into the “Special Editions”, and then refused to support an official release of the unaltered theatrical versions (until a half-hearted version was suspiciously released on DVD as “bonus” discs to the altered versions in 2006 — you had to buy both in the same package), it was done, first and foremost, to disenfranchise his wife from collecting more residuals and further sucking from the Lucasfilm teet.

      A brilliant strategy (if true), enabling Lucas to reap all of the profit from Star Wars going forward, finally leaving his wife in the past, and giving him complete financial freedom, at last. Interestingly, Lucas met and started dating Mellody Hobson, his now-second wife, in 2006, the same year that the unaltered versions (pulled from a dated 1990s LaserDisc transfer) came to DVD.

      • Cryogenic

        @ Joe:

        I guess he has. But she apparently got a very hefty divorce settlement. And if Lucas altered the films to cut his ex-wife off from making any more money from his name, I don’t blame him in the slightest.

      • archdukeofnaboo

        @Natalie @Cryogenic

        It’s a shame that he didn’t sell to Sony. Then again, they too were selling off some of their own assets a couple of years too, so were unlikely suitors. But someone else? Like 20th Century Fox, who had distributed his films? I’m surprised they didn’t get first preference, they had assisted him and his company with Indiana Jones too.

        In any case, our good old friend Rupert Murdoch later decided to sell off Fox. But what planet were the people in the US who oversee bad business practices, monopolistic behaviour and corrupt deals living on? Disney had already bought out Marvel Comics and more recently Lucasfilm – heck they even bizarrely own a Sports Network known as ESPN. It seems to me that the US regulator is simply another institution of crony capitalism: looking out for the big guys, in an increasingly smaller, and smaller pond.

        What’s even sadder is that nobody in the US (especially its media) seems to give a damn about corruption and financial inequality. Distracted by the bottomless pit that is identity politics and a trite culture war. It’s ridiculous.

        I just wonder if it ever occurred to Lucas that he could go down the Tolkien route? Keep the ownership in his family. Was there some issues here?

        What I think should have happened is some sort of arrangement where he would outsource the production of new films. The Tolkien estate, JK Rowling and Stephen King all do it, and many others too. Lucas would have some sort of say in it, but he’d still be able to take a seat back. Let’s not forget, this is the kind of way it already worked with The Clone Wars.

      • Steph Do

        @archdukeofnaboo If I may, Archduke, Considering Paramount is having a hard and rough time trying to get back in the Top 5 Studio Domestic Box Office Market Share, especially after a horrendous 2017 in 7th Place and making a huge blunder in selling the MCU To Disney, I would rather see what it would be like if Star Wars and Lucasfilm were sold to Paramount so we could see Star Wars with Lucas still being an oversee-er and so we could see The Clone Wars continue until the end. Lucas would still have creative control over SW like Michael Bay on Transformers up until the failure of The Last Knight, hence why BumbleBee had to reboot the Transformers franchise.

      • Cryogenic

        @ Joe:

        JK? Don’t you mean JFK? The “Kennedy” assassination?

        To be fair to “JK”/KK:

        She has inherited an incredibly tough role. And her name is against some of the most luminous box-office films ever made.

        Star Wars is a very tough property to get a grip on. Is it any surprise it feels more like a Marvel project under Disney?

        Of course, KK didn’t *have* to backstab Lucas, or pursue such a naked feminist-corporate agenda. She could have been more of a hero than an anti-hero. But it is what it is.

      • maychild

        If GL really did alter the so-called O-OT at least in part to make sure his ex-wife couldn’t get her grubby mitts on still more of his money, I don’t blame him at all. Marcia strikes me as being a very bitter woman, always quick to bash her former husband, apropos of nothing at all. And I really can’t see why. After all, she was the one who dogged him out and took half his money, not the other way around. I think she is a very talented film editor and I have no trouble with the kudos (and Oscar) she got for it, but the way she has continued to bitch about him really repels me. She, like Gary Kurtz, exploited hater rage against Lucas to present herself as a cross between GL’s babysitter and the most unsung of the unsung hero(in)es behind the three or so good movies Lucas managed to make despite not having the sense God gave a flea, etc. In fact, Amanda, the daughter they started adoption proceedings for around about ROTJ, has no contact with Marcia and considers George her mother as well as her father. Can’t say I blame her.

        But of course, the hateboys/girls curse him for “cheating” Marcia, just like they bashed him for altering ROTJ, thus “destroying the work” of Richard Marquand, who died in 1987 and is thus unable to stand up for himself. Never mind that they previously derided him as a spineless lapdog who asked “How high?” when GL said “Jump”; in their alternate history, which they back up via circular logic and just plain bantha poodoo, GL “got rid of” Gary Kurtz, Marcia, Kershner, anyone who dared stand up to him and installed Marquand as a puppet, because he was so mad that they all made ESB great behind his back and without his participation. Why else would he refuse to ask Kersh back to direct ROTJ? Never mind that he DID ask Kersh back, and Kersh refused because he felt directing one SW movie in a lifetime was plenty. When informed of that, the haters manage to get around it by saying he REALLY refused because he knew Kurtz would no longer be around to protect him from GL. Actually, it was GL who protected him, from stressing about the budget as overages piled up and the shoot went way over schedule. He told him to just keep doing what he was doing.

        There’s an oft-referenced altercation between GL and Kersh, where GL yelled at Kersh, “You’ve ruined my movie!”, the haters fail, or refuse, to apply a thing called context. GL had everything riding on ESB, which was by no means a surefire hit. It was the first sequel to what was then the highest-grossing movie of all time, expectations were enormous, and this was a much darker story than the first movie. As I said earlier, the shoot had gone badly over budget and over schedule. The banks wouldn’t lend GL any more money, and the studio was a hairsbreadth from pulling the plug on the project altogether. Reportedly GL had to go to the studio, almost literally on his hands and knees, to beg for enough money to finish. That understandably angered him mightily. He’s no saint, and stress has a way of bringing out the worst in people. So after viewing Kersh’s rough cut, he took out his anger on Kersh. Fair? No, but I wouldn’t call it the Eighth Deadly Sin either, considering the circumstances. Kersh himself recognized that and approached him again after he’d calmed down and explained that the rough cut worked after all.

        The haters vacillate between saying GL is an incompetent hack, and attributing all kinds of astonishing powers to him. Like when they claimed he only made the prequels as a cash grab. When reminded that he funded them himself, their comeback is, “He knew he’d make that money back, and more.” Wow, so he’s clairvoyant? He also has the power to force people to spend their money to see his movies, multiple times, in the theater, then to buy them on DVD. But never mind that…they just bring up Jar Jar Binks and act like doing so fills in all the gaps in their logic. Beating GL over the head with “Howard the Duck,” especially, is considered a really sly strategy, never mind that he neither wrote nor directed it, but it’s described as “his movie” anyway.

        But what do I know? I’ve been informed by the haters that I have no standards, prefer style over substance, don’t know what a good movie is, and am Lucas’s personal purveyor of various sex acts. That last is a real hat trick given that I’ve never even met the man, and the nearest I’ve been to him, as far as I know, was living in the same metropolitan area for many years.

      • maychild

        For shame, Cryo, misspelling “teat”! Especially since you’ve no doubt spent considerable time on the close, if informal, study of various pulchritudinous mammaries.

        *hopes Cryo doesn’t remember my own misspellings*

      • jpieper668

        @steph do
        and of course theres the other Big Sci-Fi Franchise with Star in the Title That Paramount is having trouble with at the moment

      • Cryogenic

        @ Arch Duke, @ Natalie, @ Steph:

        Fox barely assisted Lucas at all during the making of the original film. They actively impeded him and were a nuisance virtually every step of the way. The film came dangerously close to being shut down. None of the executives understood what Lucas was going for. The sole exception was Alan Ladd Jr. He was the youngest on the board (though still older than Lucas), and he resonated with Lucas’ ideas and enjoyed THX and AG and stuck up for him. He was also the one that intervened and narrowly prevented the shutdown. As a measure of how little faith Fox had in Lucas or the movie, they even tried to sell off their investment in the film to a German bank as an emergency pre-tax write-off. Ladd saved Lucas’ bacon. If it weren’t for Ladd or “Laddie”, there may not have been Star Wars at all.

        So I don’t think Lucas would have given Fox first refusal on his entire legacy (in effect), or anything close. But maybe I’m wrong. After all, executive cultures change (albeit not by much). And I certainly don’t think Star Wars feels the same without the Fox fanfare. But that’s another discussion…

        Anyway, searching around, I just discovered there’s a documentary film on Alan Ladd Jr. by his daughter Amanda Ladd Jones. Lucas features among the people interviewed. I must watch it!

        Yeah, Disney has virtually unchecked… excuse me: UNLIMMMMITTTTED POWAAAAHHH. Which, as we should all know from Palpatine’s power-grab in the prequels, isn’t too good. Sounds like the US regulator has been bought off and is on the payroll of the… well, you know the rest.

        The way money and riches are grossly unevenly distributed, and the way the masses have been distracted and discouraged from understanding or even caring, is the real tragedy of human-“kind” for the past few thousand years. We have a system riddled with corruption, top to bottom, but there are few people trying to change it — and, of course, you face enormous opposition when you do. Speaking of which:

        Apparently, Lucas tried to build a brand new filmmaking studio in his neck of the woods, but his neighbours objected and opposed the whole thing. The new studio would have enabled Lucas to make at least the first of the sequel films himself. It was to have been the last step in Lucas’ masterplan: He built Skywalker Ranch with the profits reaped from the Original Trilogy, he developed a digital workflow system and edited and mixed the films at Skywalker Ranch with the Prequel Trilogy, and finally, the Sequel Trilogy was to get fully Lucas-owned and Lucas-built sound-stages and production facilities. But between a torrent of criticism hurled at him online and his neighbours complaining and moving to obstruct him, it seems he gave up and decided to be done with Star Wars and move on with his life.

        Not sure why his children didn’t take it on. I don’t think they wanted to. Also: I think Lucas was broadly against the idea of establishing a dynasty. Luke and Padme both refuse to join Anakin in ruling the galaxy and making things the way they’d like them to be, don’t they? But you’re right. It seemed to be working well on “The Clone Wars”. I think Lucas’ mistake was in letting go of his creation too early. He could have given it all up eventually. But he should have overseen the sequels himself. As he says on Charlie Rose, it was the last part of the story He should have been the one to make it. Then again, time is short, and he wanted to pursue other things, while he’s still able…

      • Cryogenic

        @ Joe:

        Okay, Joe. J.K. Rowling may be getting heat because of her political opinions, which she isn’t shy about expressing. Granted, I agree with most of them, but you know how the online world is.

      • jpieper668

        i was Referring to the state of the Harry Potter Franchise like the Fantastic Beast Movies and The Cursed Child Play she’s getting the same Backlash that Lucas got

      • Cryogenic

        @ maychild:

        Many people may make a “tit” of themselves online, but I’ve heard the other kind can be a welcome form of stress-relief. “Teet” probably came about as a Freudian fusion of “teat” and “feet”. You could even call it a Portmanteau. You understand where I’m going with that one.

        “Nothing happens by accident.”

        Pulchritudinous? That word just gave my keyboard a heart attack. I must use it in future writings!

        “You’re so… pulchritudinous.”

        “It’s exclusively owed to the pertinacious fact that I happen to have subsumed the more expansive part of my ‘I’-consciousness to a transient state of ardent devotedness and amourous longing oft referred to with reductive colloquial insouciance as being in love.”

        I think we should rewrite all prequel dialogue to be similarly mealy-mouthed and flush with purple prose!

        Misspellings? I think you’re humanly incapable of them. I have forgotten much more than I shall ever know.

        Marcia Lucas apparently bilked her next husband out of a lot of money, too. She wanted to live the high life and see the world, and when she found he was more devoted to his career and passions, just as Lucas had been, she ditched him and went the lucrative divorce route a second time — at least, according to some accounts, that’s what happened. Temperamentally, she’s obviously a different person to Lucas. I think many people who knew the pair expressed surprise when they originally got hitched. If Lucas *did* make the Special Editions with cutting Marcia out in mind, I’d say it was a sound strategy. But it’s just a rumour.

        What the hateboys, as you refer to them, don’t quite understand is the authorial and solitary nature of the artistic process. Films happen to be a highly collaborative process and couldn’t really happen any other way. In this regard, they are on firm ground to argue that “no man (or woman) does it alone”. Yet this makes for an impoverished and specious argument when it comes to the notion of auteurship — which is a contested but valid concept within the annals of cinema and film consumption. To put it another way, even if some people recognise that a director is harsh or has an oversized ego, you don’t generally see them bashing, say, Stanley Kubrick or James Cameron, with a TENTH the ferocity they’ve bashed Lucas. They are allowed to be demanding, singular filmmakers, chasing visions and their own standards of excellence. But Lucas? No, he’s a selfish, ungrateful, arrogant, controlling, greedy hack. All because they don’t like his choices and believe that Star Wars should be a democratic process that caters to their whims and opinions.

        “The haters vacillate between saying GL is an incompetent hack, and attributing all kinds of astonishing powers to him. Like when they claimed he only made the prequels as a cash grab.”

        That kind of vacillation often occurs when there’s a need to believe something is trivial and insignificant, yet all-controlling at the same time. Of course, you can’t really have it both ways.

        “When reminded that he funded them himself, their comeback is, “He knew he’d make that money back, and more.” Wow, so he’s clairvoyant? He also has the power to force people to spend their money to see his movies, multiple times, in the theater, then to buy them on DVD.”

        True. It’s also worth noting that in “The Beginning” (the behind-the-scenes documentary originally supplied on the TPM bonus DVD), Lucas confides in Frank Oz that it’s possible to destroy even seemingly bullet-proof things like Star Wars. He cites the example of “More American Graffiti”, the follow-up to the ludicrously popular original, which, in Lucas’ words, “made ten cents”. So he was obviously concerned and mindful of the prospect of the prequels failing. Of course, at other times, you’ll hear the hateboys proclaim, “Making the prequels, sequels to the most-beloved films of all time, is the easiest thing ever,” but if Lucas had the power to make people universally love them, why didn’t he use that power? They speak of Lucas in grandiose and belittling terms simultaneously. Some form of Stockholm syndrome seems to be at work.

        “But what do I know? I’ve been informed by the haters that I have no standards, prefer style over substance, don’t know what a good movie is, and am Lucas’s personal purveyor of various sex acts.”

        Yup. Every prequel fan who ever posted to the Internet, circa 1999-2019, has had those things said to them, multiple times. But I just amuse myself by remembering that many of these same people dishing out these intellectual put-downs went on to adore J.J. Abrams’ fast-food reboot of Star Trek; and now many of them seemingly love the new Marvel movies without a whit of self-awareness. Obviously, more power to anyone who enjoys those films, but it’s rather hilarious — to me — that among that cohort are many of the same people who proclaimed themselves gatekeepers of good taste and arbiters of what constitutes “real filmmaking” and “quality storytelling”, bitching relentlessly about bad writing, bad directing, excessive use of CG, a lack of meaningful and engaging characters, empty action sequences, plotting that makes no sense, and the stench of a commercial agenda.

      • archdukeofnaboo

        @Steph Do

        I would have no problem whatsoever with Disney selling off Lucasfilm to Paramount, or any other alternative. Ideally any non-giant sized film studio.


        I gotta admit, I’m not so bitter that Lucas never got to do a 3rd trilogy. For a long time after 2005 Lucas would only talk about how it was “6 films”, “the saga is finished”, yada yada yada. I was convinced the whole thing was up, and relatively happy. When the news broke in 2012 of the sale, I was stunned. New films? An Episode VII? Why Lucas had denied this for years! For a while, it felt really strange.

        I believe it’s only in retrospect, having found VIII to be a disaster, and VII to be a rehash, that we’re starting to wonder what if Lucas had done the ST? I don’t feel aggrieved that the master never got to make them – I’m just so thankful he got to complete Anakin’s story with the PT. I do, however, believe that his version of the ST would have been truly authentic, whatever it was.

        Was there really the burning desire within Lucas to press the story beyond VI? I don’t think so. I think he was long fixated on what came before ANH, maybe as early as that film’s finished script. It seems to me that Lucas had opened himself a Pandora’s Box, with so many questions and theories, and a very healthy chunk of these pointed backwards.

        I don’t believe the OT is perfect. But the ending of Return of the Jedi? That my friends is real living perfection, and I would struggle to find a more satisfying ending in all the great novels or films I’ve consumed.

        I recall you mentioning Alan Ladd Jr. before, and I’ll give that film a watch.

        A long time ago, in the year 2015 of our lord, before the first outing of Disney at Star Wars, there was a small corner of YouTube who speculated about Anakin making a return in the brand new sequel film. Fast forward almost 4 years later and that chorus has grown – and significantly. Will it happen this time?

        If they’re bringing back Palpatine for IX, god damn it, they’ve gotta be bringing back the Chosen One too!

      • Cryogenic

        @ Arch Duke:

        As much as I’ve bashed Disney — and as much as I’ve (admittedly) enjoyed it — it seems strange to imagine yet another corporation/conglomerate owning Lucasfilm, and for Lucas’ personal creation to be passed around Hollywood like a hot potato. Don’t forget, in Paramount’s case, it’s been a subsidiary of Viacom for the past twenty five years. So it would really just be the Disney situation all over again.

        I was equally stunned to hear about the sale and the upcoming sequel trilogy. My mind wouldn’t settle down. It was all I could think about for weeks. I also (largely) bought into Lucas’ insistence that the story was over and there were no more films to be made. I assumed, even if Lucas had ideas for them, the last three would never see the light of day. But I kept a little bit of hope alive. So my mind was instantly pulled in two directions when the sale was announced. Sequel Trilogy? OMG! Disney? Oh, no…

        There’s something slightly unsettling about the Sequel Trilogy. It seems it was always destined to remain imperfect, abstract, and ethereal. Snoke is almost a metaphor. Ghostly in the first, and if you had any hope an authentic trilogy could see the light of day in the next installment, now Snoke is corporeal and therefore crude and gross, and just a misdirecting container character brought on stage to be killed. Like a message is being sent: Bye, Bye, Sequel Trilogy! You were never meant to be…

        Great observation on a lot of ANH leaning backwards. Kenobi’s basic retelling of galactic history to Luke in his hut is too tasty to ignore. Everyone wanted to see *that* backstory. Our feelings here may also be coloured by the fact that we’ve always known the original as “Episode IV”. So it felt natural to expect a “before”. Plus, for all the anxiety we have about the future, human beings live in the past. Even the very fabric of the cosmos speaks to us from eons ago. The farther we look into space, the farther in time we’re peering back. Prequels make cosmic sense! I also misspelled “farther” both times as “father”. Star Wars on the brain. Freud knew too much.

        I love the ending to ROTJ, as well. I think prequel fans generally have that in common. They hold a special place in their hearts for the last installment of the OT. Arguably, it’s the most PT-like, with some very adventurous and layered visual-effects work, and it definitely summons up ghosts of the past, especially in Leia’s hazy recall of her mother as “Very beautiful… kind, but sad…” Not to mention Obi-Wan’s second discussion about the past with Luke on Dagobah. Lucas was priming the fuse. Of course, not everyone had their minds blown by the PT, but some definitely did. We’re the lucky ones.

        I didn’t mention Ladd before — not that I recall, anyway. It may have been maychild. Ladd is an important figure in the history of Star Wars (as outlined above). In fact, it surprises me, a little, that Lucas didn’t more vividly recall his early experiences with film studios when he sold to Disney. Well, who says he didn’t? Maybe he did. But, in my estimation, he allowed himself to become a little naive about Disney and the promises Iger (no doubt) made him. Even the best of us can become seduced given the right circumstances.

        Which lands us back with Anakin. It’ll be terrific to see Anakin back, if he’s coming back, but I’m more cautious than you are about it, perhaps. Look how Disney treated the “legacy” characters from the OT in these sequels. Abrams even gave an interview some years ago where he said it was “borderline criminal” that anyone should identify with Anakin in the PT. Then again, Star Wars directors can disagree with one another — as Kershner and Marquand did regarding their respective movies — and still make compelling film art. Of course, this is JJ Abrams we’re talking about, but never say never.

      • archdukeofnaboo


        Cautiousness should never go amiss, no matter what movie it is.

        As long as Rian Johnson isn’t writing, I’ll be happy. Moreover, I think a TV series could better suit the character – exploring all those years on (and perhaps off?) the desserts of Tatoinne.

        I refuse to believe Kenobi spent 19 years in secrecy, doing nothing than minding a child. After defeating someone as powerful as Anakin, why wouldn’t he fancy taking on the Emperor himself? Or maybe not – Yoda had failed that one, after all. But Yoda’s powers were waning, and he’d been blundering all through the Clone War, to tell the truth.

        One last shot. One last crack at Palpatine. One last chance to restore all that was once good, sweet and noble in the Galaxy.

        A chance at Redemption for the Jedi Order.

        But it goes deeper than that my friends, and it’s one word:


      • Cryogenic

        @ Arch Duke:

        “Cautiousness should never go amiss, no matter what movie it is.”

        True. I have a rather incautious love of the prequels, but I hope I can be forgiven in advance for that. I also have an incautious love of Mitsubishi Uni-Ball pens, but let’s not talk about that one.

        “As long as Rian Johnson isn’t writing, I’ll be happy.”

        Sorry, AD. You were a bit ambiguous there. Didn’t quite catch your meaning. I need you to be more direct. Like Disney. It sounds like you’re saying you dislike Rian Johnson. This does not compute. Because you’re not an Alt-Right troll, and only Alt-Right trolls dislike Johnson, patron of purple hair people and epic smartypants screen writer, according to The Holy Union Of The SJWs.

        “Moreover, I think a TV series could better suit the character – exploring all those years on (and perhaps off?) the desserts of Tatoinne.”

        I hear frozen ronto is particularly good.

        “I refuse to believe Kenobi spent 19 years in secrecy, doing nothing than minding a child. After defeating someone as powerful as Anakin, why wouldn’t he fancy taking on the Emperor himself? Or maybe not – Yoda had failed that one, after all. But Yoda’s powers were waning, and he’d been blundering all through the Clone War, to tell the truth.”

        Scrabble. He played Scrabble.

        “One last shot. One last crack at Palpatine. One last chance to restore all that was once good, sweet and noble in the Galaxy.

        A chance at Redemption for the Jedi Order.

        But it goes deeper than that my friends, and it’s one word:


        Well, some claim he had a bit of a roving eye, especially toward a certain handmaiden. Anakin fell for the “real” queen, Padme, and Obi-Wan got distracted by her decoy. Poetry. Every stanza kinda rhymes with the last one… You’ve heard of Reylo, but the one you need to know about is Sobiwan!

    • Steph Do

      @natalie Uh, you do know George never wrote the screenplay, just a story treatment. Right? It was only Ardnt who wrote the script, until JJ and Kasdan rewrote it.

      • jpieper668

        Kasdan is just as bad he stabbed lucas in the back and got to write Han the way he thinks He should be Destroying his Character Development in the process F**K HIM!

      • jpieper668

        oh and the fans kiss his a** because he wrote the sacred and holy empire because Lucas never wrote the screenplay completely ignoring his contributions to the script(it was Lucas Not kasdan who came up with the i am your Father Twist but the ot fanboys and media ignore that part)

      • Cryogenic

        @ Joe:

        Along similar lines (if I dig long enough I can probably find the clip), it annoyed me when Abrams said in an interview that he was over the moon that he got to work on TFA with Lawrence Kasdan, because Kasdan is the guy “who wrote all of Han’s best lines”. Of course, Kasdan didn’t work on the original film, at all, and one of Han’s most memorable lines in TESB (“I know”) was improvised between Harrison Ford and Irvin Kershner as they ran through takes on the set. But manipulating the truth and telling lies of this sort is part and parcel of the “JJ” experience.

        On the other hand, to give Lawrence Kasdan some credit, he may have helped (along with Gary Kurtz and Irvin Kershner) introduce Lucas to Buddhism, or at least pushed him a bit more toward exploring some of its precepts — which would become of prime importance in the Prequel Trilogy.

        Kasdan also gave Lucas an off-script shout-out at the TFA Comic-Con panel in July 2015, crediting him as the “absolute breakthrough monster genius” that every person working on Star Wars is forevermore indebted to; much, it seemed, to me, to Kathleen Kennedy’s thinly-concealed chagrin.

        Here’s a clip of Kasdan giving that shout-out to Lucas. Starts at 4:00:

  • maychild

    You are correct about how Kurtz’s career, such as it was, pretty much flatlined after he broke with GL. In fact, it was none other than GL who saved “Return to Oz” (which Kurtz produced or executive produced, I forget which) from being shut down; the director, Walter Murch, was a longtime friend and GL persuaded the studio to let the shoot go on. Although RtO was not a critical or commercial success, it’s become something of a cult favorite over the years, and Murch is forever grateful to GL for saving it. For those who insist that GL needed Kurtz, I’d say it’s pretty obvious that it was the other way around. And Kurtz’s ideas for ROTJ (which he aired to the ever-ravenous hateboys, throwing in a dig at Ewoks to “sweeten the pot,” so to speak, as if to say that had he had his way, ROTJ would have been so much better), stunk anyway. Han dies, Luke wanders off alone and Leia becomes the queen of some outlying planet. Actually, it sounds kinda like what Disney did with the sequel trilogy, only they were forced to rethink the Leia part when Carrie died. She will be in Episode IX, but since they obviously couldn’t film new scenes, her role consists of unused footage from the previous two movies.

    • jpieper668

      Yes I Love Return to Oz and personally i think the Nome King is More evil than the Wicked Witch of the West(and there was Mombi played by Jean Marsh who would go on to play Queen Bavmorda in Luca’s Willow which is Kind of a Predecessor To the Chosen One Prophecy in the Prequels) and Kurtz was Executive Producer Walter Murch never Directed another film after RTO it was nominated for visual effects at the Oscars with the clay animation done by the late Great Will Vinton and yes Kurtz didn’t like the Happy Ending of ROTJ I’ve said a few times i’ll say it again he must have forgotten that Star Wars is a Fairy Tale

  • maychild

    Yes, “pulchritudinous” is one of those keyboard-choking words I like to toss out once in a while. It’s also a compliment that sounds like it’s actually an insult.

    “It’s exclusively owed to the pertinacious fact that I happen to have subsumed the more expansive part of my ‘I’-consciousness to a transient state of ardent devotedness and amourous longing oft referred to with reductive colloquial insouciance as being in love.”

    Impressive. Most impressive.

    “The pulchritudinous gentlewoman conveyed a fractious predilection for nudothespianism.”

    With out combined strength, we can rule the Internet as geek and she-geek!

    I hadn’t heard that about the former Marcia Lucas, that she divorced rich a second time. Doesn’t say much, at least not much that’s nice, about her. Anyway, GL’s second marriage seems to be happier than his first. When his and Mellody’s daughter was born, the hateboys offered their pearls of wisdom: “You’re too old for kids, bruh.” They’ve also bashed GL for “sitting on his butt” in the 16 years between ROTJ and TPM, rather than “eating, breathing and sleeping SW” the way St. Peter “The Great” Jackson did with LOTR. Actually, I believe he spent that time raising his children; after Amanda he adopted another daughter and a son as a single father. He apparently realized that focusing on his career was part of what cost him his marriage and didn’t want to make the same mistake with his kids. It’s really rather perplexing how much hate gets spewed at GL for supposedly being egotistical and tyrannical, whereas confirmed egotistical tyrants like James Cameron get a free pass. And in that beyond-fatuous Red Letter Moron “takedown” of TPM, Plinkett insisted that during the concept meeting, GL’s employees were visibly terrified of him, which explains why they’re such “yes men.” Huh? All I saw were a bunch of people wearing neutral, maybe slightly bored expressions.

    The hateboys’ enmity toward GL is so strong that they cannot even give him credit for pledging to donate half his wealth to charity: “He’s just doing it for the tax breaks.” Similarly, his choice to donate most of the profits from the sale of SW to charity was dismissed: “He donated the money to film schools. He didn’t donate it to charities that actually helped anybody.” And then there’s the truly bizarre article in the New York Times, which I have mentioned to you, many times, about the premiere of “Return of the King”: the writer spoke to a woman who was reading a LOTR book while waiting for the movie to start. She put down said book and started ranting about….GL? “He just sits around staring at a computer screen all day. Peter Jackson really cares about what the fans want.”

    I must say I’m rather astonished to hear that JK Rowling is taking some heat, given that she, along with St. Peter, was a favorite paddle that the hateboys used to spank Lucas. Ms. Rowling followed an outline, the hateboys breathlessly stated, unlike Lucas who “just made it up as he went along.” I rather doubt Ms. Rowling followed her outline as closely as they claim — maybe as she’s claimed too; I don’t know — and even if she did, what is so inherently wonderful about following an outline? Especially when you’re dealing with a story that is told over a period of two decades, give or take, a time when major shifts in popular culture, politics, and technology — not to mention the storyteller’s personal life — can and do take place? Stephen King, who’s taken a rather hypocritical swipe or two at the prequels, even admitted this in the “afterword” to one of his “Dark Tower” books. One could say that GL, in a way, fell victim to the very filmmaking trend he helped unleash (if unintentionally): the widespread acceptance of ever more special effects, the focus on fast-paced storytelling, etc. As impossible as it is for today’s juveniles to comprehend, the original SW movie’s special effects were jaw-dropping and unprecedented in 1977, no matter how primitive they look today. And now I shall blaspheme and say that many of the holy ESB’s special effects look hokey as hell, like the initial sight of Luke riding a tauntaun. SW did greatly shape and influence filmmaking; whether it was for better or for worse depends on who you ask.

    Also, despite what the press insists today, SW and GL himself were not universally loved until he “ruined things” with the prequels. Far from it. SW was termed “juvenalia” and “non-thinking-person’s fare,” particularly when assessing Mark Hamill’s and Carrie Fisher’s and most especially Harrison Ford’s non-SW work; Hamill/Fisher/Ford must be so grateful to escape the confines of those little kiddie movies and prove they can act, went many a critic’s review. Lucas was openly blamed for “destroying movies” by “making filmmakers care more about FX than in telling good stories.” The 1970s, often cited as being the last decade for great movies, started out with a batch of filmmakers who were dedicated to quality filmmaking, but then GL came along and ruined it with SW. Around about 1999, when the backlash against the prequels started, the critics did an about-face and talked about the great humanity of the OT, the endearing characters, the great dialogue, the fine acting — things that the new movies completely lacked. Not to mention, hateboys said, “Anakin is so whiny!” (I love seeing whiners whine about whining.) “Look at Luke, he whines in the first movie, but outgrows it by ESB!” As I’ve pointed out to you in one of our convos, that’s ridiculous: he whines twice as much in ESB. Don’t believe me? Watch his scenes with Yoda. And also, the haters overlook a rather important factor: Anakin has the exact opposite story arc as Luke. So might it make a tad more sense that his whining increases? Also, there’s the bitching that “his decision to turn to the Dark Side makes him look dumb.” What, do they think it should have made him look smart? That reminds me of some little ninny on a female-centric SW message board who complained that “there aren’t enough female Sith” in the Exploited…er, Expanded…Universe. A friend of mine snapped back with, “That’s like complaining that there weren’t enough female Nazis in the Third Reich.”

    (There were, of course, some female Nazis in the Third Reich, who were every bit as vile as their male counterparts. Irma Grese, for instance, and Ilse Koch; they were perhaps the best known.)

    Really, GL was kind of backed into a corner when it came to the prequels, and some of that is his own fault. Also, sixteen years is a long time — a time in which fans spent many an hour thinking up their own version of the prequels, even writing them down in fanfic. The presence of the EU, which Lucas allowed to go on even as it went further and further off track (it was a passive income source, after all), muddled things even further, as some fans expected their favorite EU-only characters to show up — I don’t even want to go into how many different ways that Mara Jade creature was shoehorned into the storyline; “I hope we see Palpatine adopt her in Episode III” chirped more than one fan, thus sending me lunging for the Pepto Bismol — and, as a result, were livid that Lucas (thankfully) disregarded just about everything the EU had established for prequel-era events. And, naturally, they were offended that Lucas did not consult “the fans” about what they wanted. One time I asked, “Which fans should he have consulted?” The answer I got insisted that there was a consensus among fans as to why the prequels sucked, which was part and parcel of the oft-stated “fact” that the fans, all of them, hated the prequels, that the prequels were “objectively bad.” Anyway, when a hater says “GL should have consulted the fans,” what he/she is really saying is, “GL should have consulted me.” And he certainly should have turned the prequels over to someone with talent — say, St. Peter, or Gary Kurtz, or the EU authors. Plus, some “emotional depth” in the villains would have been appreciated. What, exactly, this “emotional depth” should have been was never explained. Should Palps and Maul sat around discussing….Sith things? Should Palps have flashed back to his childhood when a Jedi youngling pushed him in the mud, thus sparking his lifelong hatred?

    • jpieper668

      and now the fanboys have turned against rowling(the Harry Potter play fantastic beast films) and Jackson(the Hobbit Trilogy has become The SW Prequels 2.0)what a bunch of f***ing Hypocrites and the critcs are full of crap and didn’t the sequel trilogy try to give the fans what they want? and how did that go? The Character derailment of Han Luke and Leia F**K THE FANS THEIR THE REASON LUCAS SOLD TO DISNEY!

      • maychild

        It’s “they’re,” not “their.” But yes, it seems that fanboyz are a fickle lot. To quote a Joni Mitchell song: “Oh the power and the glory/ Just when you’re getting a taste for worship/ They start bringing out the hammers/ And the boards and the nails.”

  • maychild

    “Many people may make a “tit” of themselves online, but I’ve heard the other kind can be a welcome form of stress-relief. “Teet” probably came about as a Freudian fusion of “teat” and “feet”. You could even call it a Portmanteau. You understand where I’m going with that one.”

    Oh, you clever thing, you. 😉

    • Cryogenic

      @ maychild:

      I got out of that one in a hurry, didn’t I?

      I can’t claim to always be that fast at everything. Then again, some things are probably more pleasant if you don’t do them with haste in mind.

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