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Palpatine is using a clone body in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker

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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker visual effects supervisor Roger Guyett told Cinefex that the resurrected Palpatine is using a clone body in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (via Reddit).

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A leak from the upcoming novelization of The Rise of Skywalker indicates that Kylo Ren is aware of it (via Reddit).

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  • Cryogenic

    Fascinating. There’s some really esoteric stuff in TROS surrounding the whole Jedi/Sith dichotomy/duality. Palpatine is clearly a kind of godhead for the Sith Eternal. Think of Neo confronting the machines and cutting a deal in “The Matrix Revolutions”. He faces an abstraction of the machine race. That’s Palpatine. He has been deified and is essentially the focal point for Sith loyalists and worshippers. They’re trying to make him whole so that he may speak for them, work miracles, and make the Sith dominant once again. Another sci-fi metaphor: Picard as Locutus.

    What’s really interesting to ponder is if Palpatine was even a clone back in the PT. TROS gives new meaning to Palpatine presiding over a clone army at the end of ATTACK OF THE CLONES. Maybe he was some Dark Side project in a similar fashion to Anakin potentially being willed into being by events set into motion by Darth Plagueis. It gives new resonance to a lot of prequel lines. Consider Obi-Wan’s warning to Anakin in ROTS about Palpatine staying in office “long after his term has expired”. He urges Anakin to recognise his feeling that “something is out of place”. Or Mace worrying about pairing Anakin off with Palpatine: “It’s very dangerous putting them together.” The Force Dyad thing. The most hilarious line is Obi-Wan asking Anakin on The Invisible Hand: “Do you have a Plan B?” Apparently, Palpatine did.

    “Fragmented and unstable state” is intriguing phrasing. So is “He has the spirit of the Sith”. Similar to what Snoke says to Rey: “You have the spirit of a true Jedi.” Fragmented and unstable could almost describe the ST itself. Palpatine on that long pincer arm is sort of the inverse of Vader’s crumpled mask atop that black obelisk in Kylo’s ship — which Rey and Kylo jointly smash in one of their Force Dyad-mediated tete-a-tetes. And that’s the scene where Kylo is working toward the revelation of Rey’s lineage. Some wonderfully bizarre stuff in the ST. Forget the “You are a Palpatine” revelation per se. I mean the way it is all strangely fastened together. The ST starts off a bit cold and calllous, and gets better as it goes along, IMO.

    • Johann Potgieter

      Amazing insight! The idea that Palpatine was a clone in the PT is very intriguing. Even though it’s not canon anymore, the Darth Plagueis novel mentions how Plagueis felt the Force retaliate when he influenced the midichlorians to create life, yet Palpatine talks to Anakin about having the knowledge to save Padmé. It could have been a lie, but maybe he was lying to Darth Vader when he said “together we can discover the secret”, and he did know a technique like essence transfer, basically what he uses to come back.

      I always really enjoyed the esoteric/arcane/spiritual aspects of Star Wars, so it was great to see some of that in TLJ and TROS. Also, just as a side note, I love that Sidious was on the verge of dominating the galaxy as the Sith instead of keeping his Sith identity hidden in the OT.

    • Johann Potgieter

      Also, kudos to JJ for adding that hint about clones in TFA. It seemed like an unimportant comment on its own, but it ties it nicely with Palpatine being a clone, though it would have been cool to have that revealed in the movie itself.

      • Alexrd

        I don’t care about the old EU. Copying bad ideas is a bad idea. And unlike the old EU, Disney/Abrams/Iger/Kennedy had a story from George Lucas and years of worldbuilding from the creator himself.

        Pretending that Palpatine survived the events of ROTJ not only undermines the feats of the main characters (and what their respective movies build towards) but shows complete disregard for the lore Lucas himself established over the years. Sith don’t live on after death. To insinuate that Palpatine could live on without his body is opening the door to a spiritual reality that the Sith, by their very beliefs and actions, could never attain.

        It’s simply wrong on many levels.

  • Moose

    They can try to explain it all they want, but I cannot get on board. Uncle George said that Palpatine died at the end of ROTJ. He did not need to say this – it is obvious on its face and was one of the main things the whole saga was driving towards. What’s better, Dr. Frankenstein was killed by his own monster. And then said monster turned back into a beautiful prince. The End.

    I watched THX-1138 the other night for the first time, and it felt more like Star Wars than any of the Disney films. Willow, too.

  • Arnav “RayO1” Bhattacharjee

    Don’t even get me started…

    This still doesn’t change anything. See, we have a rule in the Marvel Universe: if a clone contains the mind of the original template, or if there is no distinguishable difference between the template and the clone, then the clone is, for all intents and purposes, the template BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE.

    Thus, if it was a clone body housing Palpatine’s essence, this doesn’t undo the damage to Anakin’s legacy. One will begin to wonder what was the point of Anakin destroying his original body if the new one could just regenerate in the presence of a dyad.

    • archdukeofnaboo

      @Arnav

      That’s an angle I haven’t heard before. You might just call that a “narrative loophole”?

      Bringing Palpatine back still makes no sense. Lucas was always adamant he was dead on it robs ROTS of its finality, while spitting on the legacy of Anakin Skywalker as the man who would purge the Galaxy of its emperor after years of blindly following it.

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