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Star Wars: A New Hope: George Lucas has modified the Greedo scene again

George Lucas has modified the Greedo scene in Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope again, for a new 4K version now available on Disney+. A close-up shot of Greedo and a new line have been inserted just before the shootout.

According to Disney, the change was made before Lucas sold Lucasfilm to Disney. Lucasfilm’s Pablo Hidalgo says it was made on the occasion of a 4K restoration of the movie. So it’s presumably Lucas’ ultimate version of A New Hope.

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This is the fourth time Lucas changed this scene. In the original version, Greedo didn’t shoot at Han.

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  • archdukeofnaboo

    Well, we’re gong to see the Fandom Menace’s true colours now as they come out angry against this. So much for their so-called love of George Lucas!

    • Alexrd

      Well, The Fandom Menace is not some collective hive mind. It’s a group of people where the only thing they have in common is being fans who have been insulted and attacked for daring to criticize Disney’s treatment of the franchise (particularly with TLJ). I’m sure some people in TFM will criticize this while others won’t.

      • archdukeofnaboo

        @Alexrd

        Most of them that appear on YouTube are lukewarm to the prequels at best. Today they use it as a convenient ploy against the ST. How many times have we heard them trumpeting the “make the prequels look good” nonsense online? They are a hive mind of cantankerous fanboys too reminiscent of the anti-Lucas lot.

        If I’m going to critique the new films the last thing I’m going to do is start damning the PT with faint praise.

      • Alexrd

        I disagree. I follow some channels from TFM. Some are fans of the PT, others are lukewarm to it, others don’t like it. Just like the rest of fandom. Never heard any of them speak for TFM as a whole. I wouldn’t expect them to. Like I said, the only thing they have in common is being attacked and insulted (not by other fans, but media and Lucasfilm associates) for criticizing the new movies and the company making them. Something only reinforced when certain places forbid certain opinions and discussions.

        But as far as opinions on Star Wars go, they vary from fan to fan.

      • archdukeofnaboo

        @Alexrd

        You’re overlooking their views on the PT, which ought to mean a lot if you’re hanging out on an unapologetically pro-prequels community like Naboo News.

        I can get over someone liking the new films if they can appreciate the PT. The Fandom menace can’t. As I’ve said before, they’re highest priority is their culture war, and not good quality Star Wars.

      • Alexrd

        I’m not overlooking their views of the PT precisely because their views of it are multiple and vary from person to person. What doesn’t vary from person to person in TFM, and what brought all those people together, is their views of the ST (specifically TLJ), Disney’s treatment of the franchise, and the fact of being attacked and insulted by LFL people and the media.

        You’re right about the culture war. But exposing what’s going on with the culture (and I believe it should be exposed) doesn’t inherently mean liking or disliking the PT. In fact, I’ve seen more and more people coming around and respecting Lucas’ vision and acknowledging the PT as an equally important part of the saga (even if they happen to not like them), than trashing the PT. And that’s something I wouldn’t dream of ever happening 5 years ago. Probably the only good consequence of Disney’s mishanding of the series.

      • archdukeofnaboo

        @Alexrd

        You’re one of the staunchest prequel defenders on the internet. If there’s a group harbouring prequel bashers – the fanboys who harassed us on the internet for over 10 years, don’t forget – you should be wise enough to keep a safe distance from them.

        I couldn’t care less how much I might admire their critique of TLJ. I am a prequel fan, first and foremost, and if I have a long memory of the sins committed by the anti-Lucas fanatics, many of whom are now in with the TFM lot (their takedown-style videos were pioneered by Red Letter Media).

    • Alexrd

      @archduke

      There are prequel bashers in virtually every Star Wars fan group. Just like there are prequels fans. The numbers vary, of course. But if the group in question is not about bashing the prequels or Lucas (and TFM isn’t, it’s about fans who were attacked and insulted for criticizing Disney), then I can’t hold the group accountable for that.

      If TFM were a group of people that hated the prequels/Lucas and were attacked and insulted for criticizing Disney, then I would agree with you. But that’s not the case. There are Lucas-only fans, there are OT fans, there are PT fans, there are EU fans, there are Lucas bashers, there are EU bashers, there are PT bashers, there are TFA fans, etc, etc… If you have that many people with such different opinions from one another, then it only means that it’s not what the group is about.

      I think I’ve mentioned this with Cryo, or he mentioned this and I completely agree with him, but I don’t have a problem with bashers voicing their opinion (even if it’s just blind vitriol). I can handle them, expose them and argue against them. I don’t think they should be censored. I do have a problem with hypocrisy and double standards though. Where bashing the PT and its fans was accepted and tolerated for decades (something even Disney/Lucasfilm indulged in, back when TFA was being marketed) and now all of a sudden, voicing constructive and valid criticism against Disney is forbidden and punishable. That’s more worrisome than some people hating a particular set of movies that I happen to like.

      And this goes all the way to the top, where Bob Iger himself wanted Lucas to sign a non-disparagement agreement (something Lucas fortunately didn’t).

      • archdukeofnaboo

        @Alexrd

        I’m not disputing any fan groups right to voice their opinion. But too many of TFM are former hateful prequel bashers, and that’s a problem to me, so I stay away from them, and encourage others to do the same. For what it’s worth, I also feel uncomfortable around PT-bashers turned Disney apologists (many leading figures in the Geek media), who, as you’ve alluded, are guilty of great lengths of hypocrisy.

        There is nothing more worrisome than the fanboy environment that lead to one man almost taking is life and the ruining of another’s boy’s life. People with positive remarks about the PT were driven to obscure parts of the internet for many years, and you know it well. That for me was tantamount to censorship, and it went on for a lot longer than the current racket can ever dream of.

        • Alexrd

          Well, I can’t relate to your judgement of TFM since my experience (as a Lucas purist) has been completely different, but maybe we are seeing different parts of the elephant. We’ll have to agree to disagree.

          If you’re referring to Ahmed Best, I think it would be more accurate to blame the media than “fanboys”. That’s not to excuse any possible misbehavior from fans, but fanboy criticism/hatred is usually limited to their respective fan circles and rarely translates to any real life interactions. Ahmed Best was right in that regard. As he said, it’s the media who attacked him for decades, in their greed to profit from fan controversy.

      • archdukeofnaboo

        @Alexrd

        It was the fanboys who’d disliked the prequels and graduated to places of influence in the Geek media by 2010 that kicked off a new wave of anti-Lucas backlash with the RLM reviews. When I talk about the fanboy environment I include all of these elements. They’re not mutually exclusive.

        I’ve spoken about the media (big publications) culpability in Best and Llyod’s downfall numerous times here. I’ve given Newsweek the award for worst behaved. But unlike the The Fandom Menace, my interest in bringing these guys to account comes purely from my love of the PT and Lucas and not the politics where the media are all evil, with or without the existence of Star Wars.

  • Keith Palmer

    With the general nuttiness that’s engulfed this subject for over two decades, sometimes I’m very tempted to proclaim my personal solution would be to cut the scene out of the movie altogether (even if there’s a bit of “this is why we can’t have nice things” to that). The scene with Jabba added (or “completed”) in 1997 would then help explain Han’s motivations throughout the movie. Perhaps with time Jabba’s reference to “poor Greedo” might become as open to interpretation as “the bounty hunter we ran into on Ord Mantell,” although there the problem would be some falling back to “Han swatted aside a nuisance,” the interpretation George Lucas became concerned about and tried to downplay…

    I’ve had no problem with accepting “this eliminates a possible interpretation, not suddenly inverts the scene altogether,” but do have to acknowledge the aesthetic criticism of “things had to be faked up after the fact”; it’s not quite the little moment in Revenge of the Sith where Anakin, in Padme’s apartment, straightened the wrist of his hand holding a computer device “in post.” However, “averting your eyes for the critical moment” can seem a good-enough solution…

    • Cryogenic

      @ Keith:

      Your musings, a little bit, remind me of people who said they could do without that line from Padme in AOTC: “To be angry is to be human”. Or, indeed, the entire confession scene from Anakin, including his eulogy at his mother’s grave, where he melodramatically intones, “I miss you… so much.” Then there are people that protest that having Anakin killing younglings in ROTS is a bridge too far. Can’t we just do without that one little scene, they cry?

      Similarly, there are people who wish Anakin didn’t have his notorious moments of whining in Padme’s company in AOTC, including his awkward attempts at seduction when he announces his complicated feelings on sand. So, too, does complaining extend to Anakin compromising Padme’s airways, the birthing scene where Padme loses the will to live, and even viewers getting to see Anakin being re-made as Darth Vader. Can’t we keep that as a surprise, I’ve heard people say?

      And, of course, calls have been made from far and wide, nearly depleting the world’s supply of tomatoes and rotten veg, over Jar Jar, alleged stereotyping, CG Yoda, Yoda fighting Dooku, the “easy” way Obi-Wan gets the better of Maul, and a hundred other sore points, at least.

      The Han-Greedo encounter is maybe the most controversial of all these happenings, however: the “Ground Zero” of anti-Lucas bellyaching, the epic fault-line between “young turk” OT Lucas and “hack revisionist” PT George. But, of course, there is no one George Lucas, any more than — to paraphrase Heraclitus — the same man ever steps into the same river twice (“for it is not the same river and he is not the same man”).

      I don’t think the film would work half as well as it does without Han and Greedo’s now-iconic “saloon draw” encounter. Theoretically, it could be cut and the slack could be picked up in the Jabba scene (and dialogue repeats between the same scenes), but it wouldn’t be the same without *seeing* the clash, and watching Han go to work on a fellow bounty hunter (a theme that is very much at work in the saga: the hunter (Han) becoming the hunted; and branches of the same tree, or similar “x-y” components, fighting for dominance/survival).

      The weird and wonderful MSTRMND also offers us the following reflection on the stark, romantically unromantic dust-up between “old friends” (a friend is a fiend — just lose a letter and all changes!):

      http://www.mstrmnd.com/log/1332

      Quoting:

      Lucas, careful how he mixes colors, combines red, green and blue for Greedo’s framing, and then explodes him in pure white light. Absurdly, Greedo is the only blue-green being in the film and he suffers a similar white-light explosive fate for another blue-green organic object in a few moments: planet Alderaan. They are another of Lucas’ efficiently weird scale-mirrors. Han’s decision to kill Greedo (“over my dead body” will he let anyone take his beloved Millenium Falcon) is visually and cleverly linked with the destruction of Alderaan and its metaphor is instructive in a kill or be killed universe, the Empire kills preventively as well though on a massive scale. As Han departs the Cantina, we see the widest frame of the entrance and its arch cuts in reverse to the Death Star’s lower quarter, the paired/mirrored TIE fighters framed to follow the + shape of the wall mounted device.

      • Slicer87

        For some of the hatrboys, the line between good OT Lucas and hack PT Lucas is as far back as ROTJ. Reusing the Death Star again? Can’t we have something new? Why did Jabba had to have a palace full of muppets for? Can we just cut out all those scenes with the Teddy Bears who were only put in to sell toys? Had should have died, etc.

      • Cryogenic

        @ Slicer:

        That’s true, Slicer. ROTJ did flash through my mind when I went with the (overly) simplified dichotomy of “Original Trilogy” George Lucas vs. “Prequel Trilogy” George Lucas. However, in a way, that only underlines the point I was making: the idea that there is “one” George Lucas, or one correct version of Star Wars, is rooted in essentialism, reductionism and false dichotomies, and does little to capture the rich palette of the saga, or the complexities and vicissitudes of the man who put it conceived it and raised it to maturity.

        Those fanboy objections to ROTJ, for example, overlook the vast recapitulations in the rhyming structure Lucas put together (a second Death Star, Tatooine again), the somewhat scatter-brained and light-hearted “motley crew” of imp-like aliens and bizarre creatures (“palace full of muppets”) we already saw in ANH, and the fact that Lucas was nailing to the wall in the final installment the basic conceptual idea that Star Wars is a logs-by-the-fire, rosy-cheeked, milk-and-cookies fairy tale (Ewoks, Han not dying) — in addition to much else.

        Few people object, by comparison, to there being somewhat gauche, improbable, or child-like elements in other revered works of epic fantasy. Of course, this is hardly a new observation, and was noted with calm conviction by David Begor in his AOTC analysis in 2002:

        https://brightlightsfilm.com/defense-clones-lucass-latest-cheap-thrills-sophisticated-filmmaking/

        Quoting:

        Those unwilling or unable to enjoy the film as an old-fashioned serial adventure will doubtless also find some elements – such as the heavily stylized dialogue – distracting and/or unintentionally comic. Enjoying any work of creative fantasy requires a certain suspension of disbelief, or willingness to accept the conventions of the genre. In this sense, Lucas’ saga is no different than Tolkien’s The Lord of the Rings or Lewis’ Narnia Chronicles, both of whose mountain trolls and talking animals can be equally distracting.

      • Slicer87

        That is one of the many jarring differences I felt between TFA and the 6 Lucas films. TFA is really slicked up, modernized, and even generic style of dialogue compared to the Lucas films that use old fashioned style dialogue. I forget who said it, but a person once wrote, “Many fans only like the idea of Star Wars, but they don’t like what Star Wars really is.” Perhaps ROTJ then later the SE and PT simply exposed these types of fans? I think a large share of the old EU and spinoff media fans fall under this category.

      • jpieper668

        @Cyro
        Star Wars is a Fairy Tale even Mark Hamill Compared the characters in the original film to fairy tale characters Unfortunately some People (JJ KK RJ LK BI and Gary Kurtz and the many Whiny Fanboys) Didn’t get the memo

  • Cryogenic

    Good ol’ George! He continues to have the last laugh.

    I viewed the new version and really liked it.

    And yes, the colour/contrast/saturation all look a lot better now, going by screenshots.

    (I don’t have Disney+ myself).

    LOL @ Greedo cursing. That’s ideal. One more “raindrop” to catch in one’s metaphysical bucket. Also a nice rhyme with Han insulting Jabba in the next scene we see him in, after dispensing with poor Greedo. I love these little speech-bubble moments when characters verbally malign one another, using obscure lingo (“scruffy-looking nerf herder”) or some alien dialect (“echuta!”), or they momentarily speak to themselves or the audience (“flying is for droids”, “The Force is strong with this one”). It’s all appropriately goofy and very Lucas.

  • Cryogenic

    BTW: Fact-checking our webmaster here:

    “This is the third time Lucas changed this scene. In the original version, Greedo didn’t shoot at Han.”

    Actually, I believe it’s the fourth time the Han-Greedo scene has been modified. It was altered for the Special Edition release in 1997, then again for the DVD release in 2004, then revised slightly more for the Blu-ray release in 2011. That’s three prior altercation-alterations, making this alteration the fourth. Four changes for “Episode Four”.

    Here’s a four-tiled video on TheStarWarsTrilogy.com YouTube channel that shows the previous versions alongside one another (from top-left moving clockwise: 1977, 1997, 2004, and 2011):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv3t0Be3aHc

  • Arnav “RayO1” Bhattacharjee

    Really like how they retimed the points at which they both shoot, allowing them to fire at the same time. It’s the best of both worlds, as Han and Greedo both shoot first, but Han doesn’t miss. Honestly, the only thing that bugs me is that they zoomed into Greedo’s face when he speaks his last words. That was a bit jarring. But otherwise, I’m happy!

  • maychild

    If only the hateboys’ heads exploding was literal…

    I have never understood the fuss over this change. I fail to see how it is so crucial to Han’s character, if not the movie, as we’ve been informed over and over again — how Han is suddenly changed from a mercenary to a Care Bear. The scene later in the movie where Leia, talking to Luke, flat-out CALLS him a mercenary isn’t enough of a clue for people?

    I don’t care what Gary Kurtz said in the interview where Chris Gore was sucking up his butt (e.g., the sickening glop about how Kurtz was the “genius behind classic movies” like “Return to Oz” — which Lucas stepped in and saved after it almost got shut down — and “The Dark Crystal” — on which Jim Henson hated working with Kurtz so much that he nearly removed his name from the credits). The change does not ruin the scene, the character of Han, or the movie. And for all their shrieking and wailing about how the movie was now “unwatchable,” a remarkable number of hateboys (and hategirls, for that matter) bought the fricking DVD set, and watched it, with no ill effects aside from some dramatic bragging about how they were “working up the courage to watch ESB” after watching ANH nearly “destroyed them.” Heck, they’ve probably watched ANH in its “ruined” form more times than I have, and I couldn’t care less about the change!

    Oh, but I forget…they “had” to buy the DVD set; Lucas “forced” them, just like he “forced” them to see TPM and to buy it on DVD. And to keep watching it. I know they do because they say, “It gets worse each time I watch it!” Oddly, when the so-called “O-OT” was released on DVD a couple years later, they didn’t leap to purchase it.

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